Satan's Fashion Police.

[Anvil]

Plenty of members of the metal community have went whale hunting on a Saturday night after 10 pints.

[mickO)))]

I don't know, I reckon bands with far right sympathies should stop being pussies and stand by their convictions tbh.

Amount of bands with nazi ties or poor cliched symbolism/lyrics and deny it, all about bringing hate and violence back to black metal and shit themselves when blue haired college students threaten to picket their gig, embarrassing carry on  .

I mean, fair enough to ones who genuinely aren't neo-nazis or fascists, but the ones who are and deny it are cowards.

If only these situations were as simple as you tried to make them out to be in your post. Judging by what you said my guess is you have never had personal experience with this happening to a show you wanted to see. Nobody shits themselves when some overweight blue haired college student who can't decide what gender he is protests a show the problem is because of the way society currently is these people are pandered too and the accused side is never heard out. This isn't the same scenario as Christians protesting metal shows back in the 90's and early 00's.

Trust me if came down to it and both sides were given the freedom to behave the way the far left side are allowed to in these situations then the lefties wouldn't be long about stopping but they know the law and politician's are on their side as I saw first hand in Montreal a few years ago when a politician met the Antifa mob at the subway station near the venue and proceeded to march with them to the venue then once the doors opened they threw smoke bombs into the venue forcing the promoter to cancel the show.

Nobody has the right to tell someone else what they should listen to what's next let's ban Cannibal Corpse because the topics they sing about are far too violent and it offends me.

[jpm4]

I find this whole "Band x are sketchy because a band members brothers cousins milkman did the artwork on a Hate Forest demo" to be seriously cringeworthy but also pretty fascinating.

Like on this site rateyourmusic.com/list/HelloInquisitor/black-metal-bands-and-their-politics/2/

Which classifies Primordial as a Nazi/Racist band for the most stupid reasons, but clearly some people take it very seriously.

[ldj]

Comparing what is fictional violent lyrics to bands with ties to neo-nazi's or far right extremists is a false equivalence. Has any of this shit ever happened to a death metal show, or a thrash show, or a doom show?

It's no surprise that 99% of these incidents only seem to occur to BM bands, it seems to me parts of the scene have become infiltrated with small groups of people using the genre to fund or promote sinister fringe political causes, and then on top of that you have edgelords who will align themselves with said dodgy lads in order to appear controversial, and then obviously bands who may not be of the wiser getting caught in the crossfire. But bands (and fans) need to realise that 99% of venues don't want nazis, or nazi sympathisers, or far right groups holding gigs at them (whether because of a moral reason, or lets face it more realistically they don't want the negative attention).

So basically you just end up with a cloud of bullshit with people aligning themselves (even unknowingly) with dodgy as fuck people, and it's all hidden under the guise of being 'evil' or 'violent'.

Don't get me wrong, I used to fucking moan about woke bullshit and super PC stuff, but then I realised I've met exactly 1 person in my entire life who would fit the bill of a stereotypical twitter woke holier than thou twat, whereas I've met loads of people especially in the last 3-4 years who go on unhinged tangents about foreigners, gays, transgenders, or whoever the latest group they've been told not to like are. And I don't even believe most of these people are really bigots or far right, they're just victims of stoked up culture war bullshit so no one acknowledges the world is fucked because it panders to billionaires and corporations instead of people.

[mickO)))]

Ok so go ahead and name the touring bands being cancelled that have actual ties to neo-Nazis or far right extremists? The bands you are talking about are only a very small percentage of what is being cancelled and in most cases these are one off shows as these bands can't tour in the first place. If you were to even list some of these bands on this forum most people would have never heard of them.

It is hardly a false equivalence they are going after the bands you don't like today do you think it will stop at that? As for DM bands Nunslaughter were getting shit from Antifa when touring Europe about 10 years ago what ties do they have to neo-Nazis or far right extremists? Bolzer got shit as well what ties do they have? Have you seen Okoi's father?

Venues for the most part don't give a shit what bands play once they get paid they just don't want the headache of having to deal with crusty idiots who will try to ruin them if they don't submit to whatever demands they make.

The Australian promoter who tried to stop Destroyer 666 doing a tour a few years ago turned out to be a pedo what a surprise. What is going on in music is no different to the cancel culture we are seeing in almost every other walk of life.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Including book bans, "adults" review bombing children's films, etc.

It has all gotten out of hand, but it's hardly surprising: who makes an effort to look at things case-by-case? Literally everything is literally conflated by literally everyone

[ldj]

What bands have truly been cancelled?

Don't get me wrong, for example, I remember years ago fucking Dragonforce of all bands were getting called nazis and they came out and said oh yeah, we recorded a demo when we were like 17 and we had a bunch of retarded lyrics trying to be edgy, they're still going.

Just last year an author for NPR tried to call Matt Pike a nazi because he writes lyrics influenced by David Icke and HP Lovecraft, he came out and said it's just lyrical inspiration and he doesn't hate anyone, Sleep and High on Fire are still going.

I don't think Bolzer are nazi's but come on man, the guy has sunwheels tattooed all over his body, the symbols existed for hundreds of years before the Nazi's, but they're still obviously going to attract negative attention from people.

Also, isn't the guy from D666 a known dickhead? I don't know if he has any serious ties to dodgy shit but whether for shock value or not going on mad racist rants on stage is going to get you criticism. I'm pretty sure there also a story a few years back he got a hiding off Blasphemy for asking why they had a black guy in the band?


That link posted above by jmp4 is a bit overboard, I'm not defending people who hound bands (or create detailed databases evidently) because oh you played a small show with this obscure band who released a demo on a distributor owned by a sketchy guy once (which sounds the case in McLoves gig), I'm just saying if a band is seen to be involved with other bands who are known to be sketchy, it could be construed by certain people as supporting their views. 

[mickO)))]

Two bands who will be playing here later this year have had entire tours cancelled because of this bullshit. A tour being cancelled especially for a smaller type band is a massive blow financially. I am not going to name them because I am sure we have people lurking on this board who would love to start this insanity over here.

As for D666 the music which is what was being cancelled has nothing racist whatsoever in it. I don't see how what KK says behind closed doors has to do with the band he plays in. The incident you are referring as the rumours go was dealt with at the time. Most people into the band aren't aware of that having happened so I doubt those trying to get them cancelled are.

He may go on rants on stage that offend some people but he never that I know of has said anything openly racist on stage. I am sure if you dig into anyones past you can find dirt on them that these days could be used as justification in the eyes of some to cancel them.

A Vassafor show I was going to in Berlin 13 years ago was cancelled because Kill who were supporting just happened to be on a label years before that who released something by Gestapo 666.

Gorgoroth and Taake most likely will never play in Ireland again because some Antifa idiot was antagonising Hoest non stop while he was on stage the last time Gorgoroth played in Dublin so he ended up smashing a wine bottle over his head.

[Eoin McLove]

I think the real issue, the worrying issue, which people who support cancel culture are failing to acknowledge, is the issue of what the cancelling cohort really want from all of this activity. Absolute power and absolute control. Just like the Nazis who they claim are everywhere and must be stopped and shut down at all costs. It's disgusting.

[jpm4]

"Gorgoroth and Taake most likely will never play in Ireland again because some Antifa idiot was antagonising Hoest non stop while he was on stage the last time Gorgoroth played in Dublin so he ended up smashing a wine bottle over his head. "

Really? Never realised that kind of shit went down here 😁

[Skott Furys jizz rag]

"Gorgoroth and Taake most likely will never play in Ireland again because some Antifa idiot was antagonising Hoest non stop while he was on stage the last time Gorgoroth played in Dublin so he ended up smashing a wine bottle over his head. "

Really? Never realised that kind of shit went down here 😁

Oh yeah, yer man was an absolute dick, got what he deserved. Good gig, Honest gave him a fair clatter 😂

[hellfire]

He wasn't an Antifa dickhead, I know him. One of the more aggressive lads I've ever gone for a pint with.

[Pagan Saviour]

I was at the gig, Christ he got a right wallop. Did he just up and go home after it? Looked like a hospital job from where I was standing.

[mickO)))]

Ah right the Antifa thing was what was said on MI the next day. Tell him thanks anyway for seeing to it that we won't see Hoest playing live in Ireland again.

[Circlepit]

I find this whole "Band x are sketchy because a band members brothers cousins milkman did the artwork on a Hate Forest demo" to be seriously cringeworthy but also pretty fascinating.

Like on this site rateyourmusic.com/list/HelloInquisitor/black-metal-bands-and-their-politics/2/

Which classifies Primordial as a Nazi/Racist band for the most stupid reasons, but clearly some people take it very seriously.

I had a quick through that piece. Who wrote it? Is it like a list of bands that the writer has deemed safe?