Controversial Metal Opinions

[mickO)))]

My point being, if you're maybe only around 30 and Cradle of Filth or Emperor or something like Nile was what you fell in love with, then I can see how maybe NWOBHM and stuff like Maiden or Priest can seem tame or a bit cliché or cheesy. However, if we were talking like in boxing of greatest pound for pound fighter of all time, what them bands did in their era was just mindblowing. Doesn't mean you have to like them, but in 50 years time they'll be the ones that are still being listened to.

Or maybe I'm wrong?

I don't agree with that some people just don't like those kinds of bands myself being one of them. Black Sabbath I can appreciate and I also love nearly all eras of the Misfits but Megadeth, Judas Priest, Maiden, Venom etc. just sound terrible to me and yes the cheesey leather pants and long hair with short fringes doesn't help either as a lot of that stuff along with throwing up the metal horns is what I have always hated about listening to this kind of music but I could get past all that if I found the music was listenable (A perfect example is Panteras power metal album it is done in this style the only difference being the music is great). Pantera, Slayer, early Sepultura are to me what the  Judas Priests and Iron Maidens are to a lot of other people.

[Pedrito]

That's essentially the point I was getting at. There's a certain aesthetic and vibe, and probably era that seems to turn you off, the spandex and fringes, and leather and spikes and yet most metal heads wouldn't bat an eyelid at it. I suspect it's generational, especially seeing that you'd have no problem listening to Pantera's Power Metal album which is as close to Painkiller as you're ever likely to get.

[Paul keohane]

I never really got into traditional heavy metal tbh,i get that they are iconic ground breaking bands,but it never grabbed me.

As a young fella i kinda jumped straight in with early Slayer and Metallica,and moved straight into Death metal.

Years back in an old job a new guy started,he would have been 10 years older than me,a pure 80s rocker type.He would have seen me wearing metal shirts,and vise versa.So obviously we got chatting about metal.Thing is he was into all the old 80s NWOBHM etc,i genuinely had fuck all knowledge,a lot of it just never grabbed me.Im fully convinced he though i was a total bluffer and was just wearing metal shirts for the craic.

[Ducky]

Gave Bolzer's "Hero" a spin there this morning and I'm still firmly of the opinion that (lyrics aside) they're the equivalent of a pound shop version of Mastodon.

[Eoin McLove]

I kind of get that there's a similarity there, at least with the very early Mastodon stuff, but Bölzer are heavier and darker bringing much more death and black metal to the fore. They sound absolutely nothing like any of the more recent, and I mean post-'Remission' era,  Mastodon to me,  though. Seems like an over-simplified assessment of Bölzer's sound by people who just don't like the clean vocals.

[ldj]

Nah for me the similarity is actually with Crack the Skye era Mastodon, the clean vocals are reminiscent of Troy Sanders, and I don't dislike the clean vocals either.

Mastodon are one of the few decent metal bands in the modern age that made it big, only natural that bands will come along that they've influenced, no matter how underground.

[Ducky]

Yeah they lost something from the first two EPs and the demo and morphed into CtS-lite.

And I do like the clean vocals, the clean bits of "Hero" are the best bits of the album.

[Pedrito]

Hmmm, the similarity is in maybe the vocal style, but they're very different bands. Mastodon sound very Math-rock, their sound owes more to hardcore or stoner than metal I would.have said, while Bölzer come from a far more Black and death metal slant. The difference between the two is like leather boots and Vans/Converse, Motorhead vs Black Flag, Whiskey vs vegan burritos, tatts related to spirituality/philosophy vs tatts on your cock. Mastodon definitely ride that line between metal and something more like Crowbar, very American while Bölzer's sound is definitely European.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Two of my favourite and most listened to bands, and I see nothing beyond the most superficial of similarities between them. That said, Okoi has never hidden his appreciation of Mastodon, but from the nuts and bolts up, they're very different. Different approach to song structure, to vocal patterns, to production, to lyrical themes, to aesthetics, to the very understanding and intent of creating music. They've both very much got their own thing going on.

[mugz]

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[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Eh, future music is gonna be all smooth AOR and soft rock noodling. You're gonna love it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jgAnhDEUN4

[Eoin McLove]

Wild Stallions! Widdly widdly widdly woo...

[astfgyl]

I can't see any similarity between Bolzer and Mastodon whatsoever.

[mickO)))]

That's essentially the point I was getting at. There's a certain aesthetic and vibe, and probably era that seems to turn you off, the spandex and fringes, and leather and spikes and yet most metal heads wouldn't bat an eyelid at it. I suspect it's generational, especially seeing that you'd have no problem listening to Pantera's Power Metal album which is as close to Painkiller as you're ever likely to get.

My point was Pantera played that style of music and even dressed that way during the power metal period but the music just stood on it's own because it was good enough. I have tried JP many times the music is just shite. I'll never forget as a teenager one of my friends putting on breaking the law on his stero from some comp CD he had lying around his room we just pissed ourselves laughing at it and still to this day laugh whenever that song is brought up.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

That's a real problem with JP: inconsistency from period to period. Painkiller is so many leagues removed from Breaking The Law, it's hard to fathom it's even the same band.