Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 12, 2021, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on April 12, 2021, 10:47:33 PM
The people no longer influence the direction of these sectors, the sectors influence the direction of the people, and that is one fucked up situation.
We need to take the power back before its too late, and yes, I do believe it can be done, if enough people cop the fuck on and opt the fuck out.

One thing is certain, if everyone takes the defeatist attitude you have,the battle is surely lost.

I'm sympathetic to your overall position, but the commercial and technology (in the broad sense) sectors have been influencing the direction of the people since the industrial revolution, which is why all the people you are directly or indirectly influenced by in everything you're saying started saying those things back then. At what point do you think things were rosy? When you were a kid? Things were already fucked up then, but in ways that you became accustomed to naturally. Now things are fucked up in ways that buck with what you're comfortable with, but socially, economically and politically speaking, they're genuinely no more fucked up than they were back then.

Oh of course you'r right man, this is an ongoing and worsening situation since the first industrial revolution, I don't think things have been rosy at any point.
To suggest however that the old,         " God, this is terrible."

                                                                      "But sure, it has always been terrible."

                                                                       "Ah sure, its grand so."

discussion is in any way reasonable is in its self, fucked up.

Okay, but talking about taking the power back, as if it were ever in "our" hands, or projecting that at some point it will be "too late", like things are genuinely getting worse and worse towards some point of no return (and again, return to what?), that I find difficult to buy into, and therefore don't see as a reason to despair. Opting out is a thing to do and it's grand for what it is, like being a vegan, or deleting social media, or living plastic free, or whatever, but it's not a solution to anything in and of itself, no more than the luddites managed to solve anything in the grand scheme of things either. Are we generally better off since welfare became a thing? Maybe. Did that come about because of the collected efforts of socialist movements? Or was it just because the state needed more people in generally good health to work the factories? An open debate, but what it all boils down to for the individual is balancing struggle against what feels wrong and finding some kind of mental well-being despite the same.

Pretty sure this is how Jon Schaffer started out, careful now

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 12, 2021, 11:35:33 PM
Okay, but talking about taking the power back, as if it were ever in "our" hands, or projecting that at some point it will be "too late", like things are genuinely getting worse and worse towards some point of no return (and again, return to what?), that I find difficult to buy into, and therefore don't see as a reason to despair. Opting out is a thing to do and it's grand for what it is, like being a vegan, or deleting social media, or living plastic free, or whatever, but it's not a solution to anything in and of itself, no more than the luddites managed to solve anything in the grand scheme of things either. Are we generally better off since welfare became a thing? Maybe. Did that come about because of the collected efforts of socialist movements? Or was it just because the state needed more people in generally good health to work the factories? An open debate, but what it all boils down to for the individual is balancing struggle against what feels wrong and finding some kind of mental well-being despite the same.

All valid points man.
The "take the power back" sentiment, is admittedly a bit of Zack De Le Rocha-esque silliness which could have been left out.
The "too late" statement however, is not.
This discussion began as a rant with regard to the Orwellian vista of a future (not distant, but near) cashless society.
When the lobbying is done and the  legislation is drafted and passed to allow this abomination of a cashless society to begin, I would argue that then it will be "too late".
Hello corporate oligarchy, goodbye freedom.

Just to clarify, what I mean by "freedom" above is the opportunity, or ability, to opt out of the electronic financial system.
The circulation of cash enables the individual  to opt out, should this be their choice.
No cash = no choice = no freedom.

We should have an extreme peeve thread.

Quote from: Trev on April 12, 2021, 11:39:14 PM
Pretty sure this is how Jon Schaffer started out, careful now

Wonder how he's getting on these days

Going for a shit then hopping off only to immediately discover I wasn't finished and have to get back on

Quote from: astfgyl on April 13, 2021, 02:57:13 PM
Going for a shit then hopping off only to immediately discover I wasn't finished and have to get back on

Totally. You have it l wiped clean too and a little jammy dodger breaks to get free. Leading to loads more wiping and blocked jacks.

I'm spoiled with the outdoor shites these days. A packet of wet wipes in the bag in work and not only does the deep outdoor crouch achieve quick and thorough results, my hoop is so squeaky clean you could eat your dinner off it. I'm thinking of digging a hole in the garden and going full-time feral.

I hope you are being a real man and using only the polypropylene wet wipes.

They are homemade wet wipes made out of old hessian bags dipped into pure alcohol. My anus has been bleeding profusely now for two months but it has never been so clean.

That smug little fucker on the new Vodafone advert, and the 'Veaudafeaune' at the end. It's like they went out and searched for a Killiney Greta Thunberg.

Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 13, 2021, 04:23:13 PM
I'm spoiled with the outdoor shites these days. A packet of wet wipes in the bag in work and not only does the deep outdoor crouch achieve quick and thorough results, my hoop is so squeaky clean you could eat your dinner off it. I'm thinking of digging a hole in the garden and going full-time feral.

This is probably the most impressive post ive seen on this site

And 100% true!

I'll PM over some pics of my gleaming hoop ASAP.