The World Is In A Terrible State of Chassis

[Eoin McLove]

I know, I was being ironic.

Also, I should clarify, I'm not saying the cops are right to kill someone even in that scenario. My point is that if you act aggressively and threateningly towards the cops in the US, there is enough evidence to suggest that you are likely to end up filled with lead. When do we start demanding a bit of cop on from these muppets? We can do that while also demanding a higher standard from the police. It's all well and good being somewhat justified in your grave,  but wouldn't it be better to be alive? I'd argue that it is.

[Caomhaoin]

`I despise abortion but I accept it for rape, incest or risk to the mother.

Have these cunts ever heard of pulling out? Or taking an auld tablet? Fuck sake.

Ever hear of condoms breaking?
Ever hear of people getting pregnant even when contraception is used?
Ever read to the end of that article you posted where it says that abortions among poor people are on the rise, obviously because they can't afford to "take an auld tablet"?

Morning after pills are available for the first scenario.

If you can't afford to have a child or take a tablet, then either practice safe sex in other ways or keep it in your pants.

This is basic stuff.

And is every woman able to take a morning after pill with absolutely no known bad side effects whatsoever?
Or the daily pill for that matter?
And I suppose it's well known that 99% of condom breakages are discovered the moment they happen yeah?

And what about scenario 2?

Look lad, without getting into an endless back and forth, it's hard to imagine discovering a broken condom much later than, well, immediately.  If pregnancy is a no-no, I'd imagine most ladies would take the side effects or possible side effects over a bun in the oven, although as you'd rightly point out that's conjecture. I'd wager it's a safe enough bet though.

The second one is trickier of course, and it's how I ended up with my young lad as it happens. It doesn't confer any fault, but generally speaking it's extremely difficult to get pregnant on the pill unless days or skipped or what have you, although I'm not an expert.

Regardless, I do not personally believe that it justifies what I consider to be infanticide. Of course, you may not consider it to be so, and you are entitled to that view. Most people bar my grandmother think I'm a crank for holding that view. I guess it boils down to two core questions. One, at what point does human life begin and two, whether or not, in certain cases, it's justified to end 'life' ante-partum for a whatever reason. I find it abhorrent to do so in any case, but I'm willing to accept that the damage done to a pregnancy carried to term from rape or incest would be tantamount to the destruction of the mothers life. Or if the child Ik would have no quality of life whatsoever because of catastrophic genetic abnormalities or what have you.

I'm not the type to bomb abortion clinics (although I cannot abide those planned parenthood cunts), but it's always stuck in my craw, ever since I was a young lad.

[astfgyl]

I know, I was being ironic.

Also, I should clarify, I'm not saying the cops are right to kill someone even in that scenario. My point is that there is more than enough evidence that if you act aggressively and threateningly towards the cops in the US, there is enough evidence to suggest that you are likely to end up filled with lead. When do we start demanding a bit of cop on from these muppets? We can do that while also demanding a higher standard from the police. It's all well and good being somewhat justified in your grave,  but wouldn't it be better to be alive? I'd argue that it is.

Yeah I didn't catch the irony. The joy of text.

Good points there and close to my own thoughts on it.

[Eoin McLove]

Not sure how a sentence like "Yeah but the retard who is out of his mind on drugs and attacking the cops with a knife is the victim!" could be taken as being anything other than ironic 

[mickO)))]

I know, I was being ironic.

Also, I should clarify, I'm not saying the cops are right to kill someone even in that scenario. My point is that there is more than enough evidence that if you act aggressively and threateningly towards the cops in the US, there is enough evidence to suggest that you are likely to end up filled with lead. When do we start demanding a bit of cop on from these muppets? We can do that while also demanding a higher standard from the police. It's all well and good being somewhat justified in your grave,  but wouldn't it be better to be alive? I'd argue that it is.

I completely agree I purposely didn't state my opinion in my original post on what happened because i have no interest anymore in arguing with people online especially on music forums.

Another incident happened about two months ago (can't remember where it was maybe LA) where a mother called the cops on her son because he was threatening her, the cop came to the door of the house and when he tried to enter the son came out wielding a knife chased the cop down the street then the cop turned about 3 doors down from the suspects house and shot him. I saw a full video showing the entire thing. As soon as people started reporting on it the riots started up again. 

[Eoin McLove]

Cops bad, scumbags good.

IRONY

[Giggles]

it's hard to imagine discovering a broken condom much later than, well, immediately.

Why, just because it's never happened to you? So therefore couldn't possibly happen to anybody else on the planet?

I'd imagine most ladies would take the side effects or possible side effects over a bun in the oven

The point I was trying to make is that the pill is not safe for some women to take. Their docs won't prescribe them if that's the case. So for them, it is literally not an option to "take an auld pill".  The pill is not a 100% guarantee either by the way.

Look lad, without getting into an endless back and forth

If you didn't want a back and forth then maybe you shouldn't have derailed the thread with your views on abortion which you've clung onto since you were a young lad, of which nobody asked for, calling people who have had an abortion "cunts", and leaving yourself open to criticism by pulling bogus stats out of your hole. I don't care if you're pro or anti abortion. I'm not trying to change your views, I'm just pointing out that you quite clearly are not as informed on the matter as you might like to believe that you are, evident from your use of phrases such as "I'd imagine" and "I'm no expert".

I despise abortion but I accept it for rape, incest or risk to the mother.

You'll accept it? You're not in a position to choose. It's not your fucking choice to make and it never will be.

[Eoin McLove]

That's not very giggly.

[astfgyl]

Not sure how a sentence like "Yeah but the retard who is out of his mind on drugs and attacking the cops with a knife is the victim!" could be taken as being anything other than ironic 

Actually yeah, fair point. The old aphasia is kicking in strong on me this evening!

[Caomhaoin]

it's hard to imagine discovering a broken condom much later than, well, immediately.

Why, just because it's never happened to you? So therefore couldn't possibly happen to anybody else on the planet?

I'd imagine most ladies would take the side effects or possible side effects over a bun in the oven

The point I was trying to make is that the pill is not safe for some women to take. Their docs won't prescribe them if that's the case. So for them, it is literally not an option to "take an auld pill".  The pill is not a 100% guarantee either by the way.

Look lad, without getting into an endless back and forth

If you didn't want a back and forth then maybe you shouldn't have derailed the thread with your views on abortion which you've clung onto since you were a young lad, of which nobody asked for, calling people who have had an abortion "cunts", and leaving yourself open to criticism by pulling bogus stats out of your hole. I don't care if you're pro or anti abortion. I'm not trying to change your views, I'm just pointing out that you quite clearly are not as informed on the matter as you might like to believe that you are, evident from your use of phrases such as "I'd imagine" and "I'm no expert".

I despise abortion but I accept it for rape, incest or risk to the mother.

You'll accept it? You're not in a position to choose. It's not your fucking choice to make and it never will be.

Derailed the thread? I think I made a relevant point, as it relates to the Polish protests.

I never said the pill was a guarantee but it certainly helps.

I fail to see how one couldn't notice a broken condominium unless they were legally blind. Even so, your argument is weak and infantile, 'it couldn't happen to anybody else on the planet ever'? My eight year old talks like that. You are taking extreme examples and ignoring the fact the majority of cases boil down to an 'inconvenience' of one sort or another. You can see how infrequently the pill fails when used correctly. Tiny fractions of a %. https://helloclue.com/articles/sex/why-does-hormonal-birth-control-fail


No one has asked me, you or anyone else for any of their views on fuck all on this forum, so you can pull your head clean out of your hole with that imbecilic statement. If I think abortion is a cunts game on principle, and that causes you offence, pity about you. I'm as entitled to my view as much as anyone else is. Yes, the 99% remark wasn't accurate, hence I reviewed and revised it. What more do you want? In common speech, 99% is an emphatic 'almost all', as opposed to the results of an empirical study, this you're aware of, and it's hardly worth the effort arguing over.

Yes, I accept abortion in the cases I specified. It's my view that it should not and cannot be a 'woman's' choice as it's a sovereign body being destroyed which does not belong to them. You don't agree? Perfect, away you go, but lad 'it's not your fucking choice and never will be'...that's a cringeworthy, empty retort. Motherhood and adoption. There's a couple of choices for you.

G'luck.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Historically, a lot of - if not all - of the societal problem around undesired pregnancy is the undeniable fact that there has been almost no humane, community-based support for the mothers-to-be, regardless of their situation, and certainly not from those who have been most vocal in wanting to limit women's options. In a sense, for all their moral high-ground approach (and I actually do ultimately grant them the "moral" high-ground), the pro-life movement made its bed by focusing too heavily on the unborn child and not heavily enough on the mother. That's a slight generalization, but only very slight; I was raised born-again Christian, so I have lots and lots of experience of pro-life literature, videos, etc., etc. Fact of the matter is, the pro-life movement didn't show themselves to be militantly pro-active when it came to protecting and nurturing unwanted children or single-parent families. Not just protecting them financially, before the anti-welfare voices chime in, but protecting them within the community from stigma, by vocally speaking out against the stigmas. That was impossible for them, since they were, in large party, affiliated directly with the trains of thought which had created those stigmas.

So, they can ring the sovereign life bell all they like, and existentially I tend to agree with them on that, but life isn't about absolutes, life is about doing whatever the fuck needs doing just to keep trying to get along in whatever environment you find yourself thrown into at birth. Those coming from the pro-life side of things, ironically, were party to that environment being hostile to many, many women who found themselves pregnant without wishing to be. I think things in Ireland, Poland, Italy, all traditionally conservative nations, would be very different if, historically, the pro-life movement had been able to honestly, hand on the heart, say to young pregnant girls; "There is a whole community here to support you and who will be with you and your child, whether you decide to keep it or put it up for adoption; we've got your back, we're here for you. That child is going to have everything it needs in life, whatever you decide."

Like fuck.

[Emphyrio]

Historically, a lot of - if not all - of the societal problem around undesired pregnancy is the undeniable fact that there has been almost no humane, community-based support for the mothers-to-be, regardless of their situation,

When you say this, what comes to mind is a tribe in the Amazon. Is there any modern society where this is a viable option?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Historically, a lot of - if not all - of the societal problem around undesired pregnancy is the undeniable fact that there has been almost no humane, community-based support for the mothers-to-be, regardless of their situation,

When you say this, what comes to mind is a tribe in the Amazon. Is there any modern society where this is a viable option?

Are you asking if there is a modern society that doesn't have a history of institutional abuse of children and stigmatization of single mothers??

[Emphyrio]

No, I'm asking if there is any modern society that has community based upbringing of children?

[Eoin McLove]

Antifa and BLM offer great childcare services.