Bell's end?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I read that sash as Slavery y Sangria at first 

[Juggz]

  Controversial

[Nazgûl]

I read that sash as Slavery y Sangria at first 

[ochoill]

  unreal

[Anton Arcane]

At a stretch you could maybe say that Raymond Herrera has the right to claim at least part ownership of the name but how Christian Olde Wolbers can is beyond me. He didn't even join until the second album and Dino allegedly played the majority of bass on that album anyway.

He must have the same legal team as Andreas Kisser.

[Don Gately]

The first 2 albums were good, I liked them a lot then, all a bit sad now

[Kunt 4 Life]

At a stretch you could maybe say that Raymond Herrera has the right to claim at least part ownership of the name but how Christian Olde Wolbers can is beyond me. He didn't even join until the second album and Dino allegedly played the majority of bass on that album anyway.

He must have the same legal team as Andreas Kisser.

Could we end up with a situation with more than one fear factory like we have with Saxon?
If they get a new singer and release an album, will there be two different fear factory albums with 2 completely different line ups?

[Anton Arcane]

At a stretch you could maybe say that Raymond Herrera has the right to claim at least part ownership of the name but how Christian Olde Wolbers can is beyond me. He didn't even join until the second album and Dino allegedly played the majority of bass on that album anyway.

He must have the same legal team as Andreas Kisser.

Could we end up with a situation with more than one fear factory like we have with Saxon?
If they get a new singer and release an album, will there be two different fear factory albums with 2 completely different line ups?

The lawsuit was probably to prevent that from happening. It's possible though. Bell could go back to Herrera and Wolbers and Dino could get a new line up. They're all washed up and desperate enough for it to happen.

[Emphyrio]

Glad I caught the Demanufacture reunion when it rolled around.

[Juggz]

At a stretch you could maybe say that Raymond Herrera has the right to claim at least part ownership of the name but how Christian Olde Wolbers can is beyond me. He didn't even join until the second album and Dino allegedly played the majority of bass on that album anyway.

He must have the same legal team as Andreas Kisser.

Could we end up with a situation with more than one fear factory like we have with Saxon?
If they get a new singer and release an album, will there be two different fear factory albums with 2 completely different line ups?

The lawsuit was probably to prevent that from happening. It's possible though. Bell could go back to Herrera and Wolbers and Dino could get a new line up. They're all washed up and desperate enough for it to happen.

There were several lawsuits but it looks like Burton is possibly bankrupt again and was forced to sell his ownership of the name.

Cazares says:

"I don't really want to get into what it says, really, because a lot of it's just a lot of nonsense. He doesn't—what I noticed—is that he doesn't take responsibility for all the legal actions went down. As you know, most people know that we were in a legal battle for the last three plus years trying to sort out this Fear Factory name situation.

    And him and I were sued separately in separate courts... Not jointly, separately. [They were filed by] the other two ex-members [Raymond Hererra & Christian Olde Wolbers], which led to me and Burton going bankrupt in separate counties, separate states. I live in California, he's out there in Pennsylvania.

    And so... for anybody who decides to lie in the court of law when you're under oath, not a good idea. That's all I can say. I ended up... the name came available. Burton's trademark ownership became available so I ended up purchasing [it]. I don't want to get into the gory details. I don't want to have to throw anybody under the bus.

    But if anybody wants to see the truth, they can go and Google the paperwork, Google our names and you'll find it. It's all there, it's all black & white and you can see what happened and how it all transpired."

[Ducky]

At a stretch you could maybe say that Raymond Herrera has the right to claim at least part ownership of the name but how Christian Olde Wolbers can is beyond me. He didn't even join until the second album and Dino allegedly played the majority of bass on that album anyway.

He must have the same legal team as Andreas Kisser.

It's funny that you say that because Paolo Jr. didn't actually play bass on any Sep records until Chaos AD, Kisser was the one who did.

Kisser has as much right to Seps' name as the Cavaleras.

[Anton Arcane]

At a stretch you could maybe say that Raymond Herrera has the right to claim at least part ownership of the name but how Christian Olde Wolbers can is beyond me. He didn't even join until the second album and Dino allegedly played the majority of bass on that album anyway.

He must have the same legal team as Andreas Kisser.

It's funny that you say that because Paolo Jr. didn't actually play bass on any Sep records until Chaos AD, Kisser was the one who did.

Kisser has as much right to Seps' name as the Cavaleras.

That's old news about Paulo's bass tracks but Andreas didn't join until the second album. I'm not undervaluing his musical contribution to the band, and there is a good chance that they would have never made it beyond being a South American novelty if he didn't join, but as an intellectual property and as a brand name the Cavaleras should have it. They started the band and named it.

[Juggz]

They both also left it, voluntarily.

[Blitzer666]

At a stretch you could maybe say that Raymond Herrera has the right to claim at least part ownership of the name but how Christian Olde Wolbers can is beyond me. He didn't even join until the second album and Dino allegedly played the majority of bass on that album anyway.

He must have the same legal team as Andreas Kisser.

Could we end up with a situation with more than one fear factory like we have with Saxon?
If they get a new singer and release an album, will there be two different fear factory albums with 2 completely different line ups?

L.a guns is really confusing too....

[Don Gately]

I think Paulo should have it because he gave me a can of Budweiser outside the SFX