Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 06, 2024, 07:47:34 AMUnbelievable. The Democrats are totally spasticated.

That's the main takeaway from it all really. It could have been so easy for them.

Quote from: astfgyl on November 06, 2024, 01:45:28 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 06, 2024, 07:47:34 AMUnbelievable. The Democrats are totally spasticated.

That's the main takeaway from it all really. It could have been so easy for them.

How though who could have beaten Trump? The anti Trump brigade even just on here all thought it was going to be an easy win for Harris up until that recent CNN interview and the criticism that followed then reality started to hit home. Sure didn't you think the calling Trump and Vance weird would have an affect then Tim Walz turned out to be the biggest weirdo of the lot.

Harris had everything including the vast majority of the media behind her but it didn't matter because people were fed up with all the bullshit they have had to put up with over the last four years. The escalation of the Trump witch-hunt over the last few years didn't help the narrative either. Even Rogan he was behind Sanders in 2020, has been taking shots at Trump on the podcast since 2016, for the last four years was adamant he would never be on the podcast and then yesterday he comes out and endorses him.

Jamie Raskin already said a few weeks ago that they won't certify the election if Trump wins.

Quote from: The Butcher on July 22, 2024, 09:54:32 AMAlways thought Trump would win over Biden on age/health reasons alone (not that Trump doesn't have the same issues, just not as immediately pressing as Bidens was), then the assassination attempt I think has sealed his victory now no matter what the Democrats do. They will go with Harris now with a "uniting everyone" slogan but she'll feck that up completely. She is not particularly likeable and her past record is pretty shite for a Democrat. America going full red in November.

*cough* although Harris didn't go with the "uniting everyone" slogan...rather a "look over there! MAGA are Nazis" slogan  :laugh:

Quote from: mickO))) on November 06, 2024, 03:35:14 PMJamie Raskin already said a few weeks ago that they won't certify the election if Trump wins.

Did he, yeah? And who the fuck is Jamie Raskin when he's at home? He's certainly no Trump himself or even Tucker Carlson, so already no comparison. Let's have a look anyway... okay, he's a Democrat House Representative for Maryland. Hmm, a Democrat House Representative said "they" won't certify the election if Trump wins? Sounds slightly extraordinary, best have a look...

QuoteA Nov. 5 Threads post said, "Jamie Raskin said, 'Let folks cast their votes for Trump if that's their choice. But mark my words, we won't be certifying the election. He might win, but we'll ensure he doesn't step foot in the Oval Office.'"

The post adds: "Tell me again which party is seeking to destroy democracy and install an unelected candidate?"

To which Raskin already replied yesterday, before the results were in:
Quote"This fictional 'quote' is 100% fabricated," Raskin said in a Nov. 5 X post. "It's one more lie in the stream of right-wing lies designed to undermine our election. Despite this actionable libel and all the disinformation, America is having a free and fair election and Congress will certify the winner."

And two days ago on the 4th:
QuoteAxios quoted Raskin responding to Johnson's comments in a statement, saying he is "of course committed to following the Constitution and certifying the actual results of the 2024 presidential election"

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/nov/05/instagram-posts/no-jamie-raskin-didnt-say-he-wouldnt-certify-the-e/

So a bullshit claim, but thanks for the umpteenth demonstration of a major part* of how and why Trump won: a mixture of wanton gullibility and cynical disregard for reality (turbo charged with the aid of the richest man in the world).

*the other being the DNC not being up to the task of combating MAGA.

 :laugh: Ah the good old fact checkers have spoken. I have seen the video of him saying it three times on three different podcasts over the last week. Was the video a deep fake or something? What does Tucker have to do this I didn't mention him anywhere in my post. 

#3966 November 06, 2024, 05:52:35 PM Last Edit: November 06, 2024, 05:54:30 PM by Caomhaoin
He's salty!

So, presumably had Harris won, you'd have drawn similar conclusions about gullibility and disregard for reality and the republicans not being up to the task of combatting the DNC?

Doubtful, because it's not within your comprehension to consider that factors which are unpalatable to you led to this result - concerns about immigration etc.

I ask considering, for example, the relentless stream of bullshit and bare arsed propaganda coming from 95% of the legacy media, which is consumed primarily by 'liberals'.

Have a watch if Joe Scarborough's meltdown earlier. Lie after lie after wanton lie. So who is it, precisely, who is detached from reality?

Quote from: mickO))) on November 06, 2024, 05:50:07 PM:laugh: Ah the good old fact checkers have spoken. I have seen the video of him saying it three times on three different podcasts over the last week. Was the video a deep fake or something? What does Tucker have to do this I didn't mention him anywhere in my post. 

I don't know if the video was a deep fake since I haven't seen it and you didn't source it.

I also don't know who Joe Scarborough is. Was he speaking in an official capacity for the DNC?

Tucker Carlson stated at the MSG MAGA rally that if Harris won then the only possible explanation could be fraud and that he and everyone like him should refuse to accept it.

He's that melt from MSNBC, the same lad who said Biden was the best version of Biden ever (shortly before he was ousted in a coup and replaced by an unelected and unelectable usurper). He finished his rant saying 'f you if you can't handle this truth'.

His efforts this morning remind me of when I was 12 and lost at FIFA against my brother.

Right. So an irrelevant TV personality speaking independently of the party. Good stuff Kev, very informative.

He's kind of a big deal (in that world).

You know as well as anyone, those networks are the unofficial propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.

Am I on here talking about everything said on the unofficial propaganda arm of MAGA (i.e. Fox)? No. I mentioned something Tucker Carlson said because he said it from the podium of a MAGA rally. Context.

Anyway. Be interesting to see will Trumps policy of tariffs and bringing business back to America fuck our corporation tax receipts. It probably will a bit but American companies need a base in Europe as well and we're that country thankfully.

I can't wait to see trump's first tax break. I wonder how much the little man will get. As the rich will get a lot. He'll pull.put the Paris accord. That's a given. Even his slogan. Make america great again. He already had 4 years and done fuck all. Did he sort the border. Ha. He'll be judged on whether the working and middle class have more money in their pockets. The first time he was in he inherited a booming economy. He dosent have that now. And as for gaza. Yer fucked.

Quote from: mickO))) on November 06, 2024, 03:35:14 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 06, 2024, 01:45:28 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 06, 2024, 07:47:34 AMUnbelievable. The Democrats are totally spasticated.

That's the main takeaway from it all really. It could have been so easy for them.

How though who could have beaten Trump? The anti Trump brigade even just on here all thought it was going to be an easy win for Harris up until that recent CNN interview and the criticism that followed then reality started to hit home. Sure didn't you think the calling Trump and Vance weird would have an affect then Tim Walz turned out to be the biggest weirdo of the lot.

Harris had everything including the vast majority of the media behind her but it didn't matter because people were fed up with all the bullshit they have had to put up with over the last four years. The escalation of the Trump witch-hunt over the last few years didn't help the narrative either. Even Rogan he was behind Sanders in 2020, has been taking shots at Trump on the podcast since 2016, for the last four years was adamant he would never be on the podcast and then yesterday he comes out and endorses him.

Jamie Raskin already said a few weeks ago that they won't certify the election if Trump wins.

That's exactly it, all they had to do was have basically anything other than the fucking ridiculous duo they came up with and a bit of the weird slogans and play to the centre like they'd be the party of no rhetoric or something. They are totally spasticated for not coming up with something to even run it close against someone as polarising as trump.

According to turnout stats, about 13 million less voted for Harris than Biden, and look at the state of him!

Trump ran a very good campaign and Harris a pathetic one. It's that simple it wasn't even slightly close at all.

#3974 November 06, 2024, 06:37:17 PM Last Edit: November 06, 2024, 06:41:12 PM by Black Shepherd Carnage
If Trump gets Arizona, that'll be three swing states, along with Pennsylvania and Georgia, he's won which several surveys showed weeks ago would only be swung to the DNC if there was a withholding of arms to Israel. Haven't seen similar data for Michigan, but it's generally agreed it's the same deal there. The DNC campaign actually lost a lot of support for being too centrist/right-centrist, including openly trying to woo Republicans. Personally, I believe only exemplary integrity (or a dead ringer for it) could have beaten Trump's blatant dishonesty tactics, and if there's one thing the DNC utterly lack at the highest levels, especially at the moment re Gaza vs Ukraine, it's integrity.