Quote from: Mooncat on November 06, 2024, 08:18:43 AMI do think you have a point in your first paragraph there. Where this election wasn't about left v right, but that a modern more radicalized left alienated the centre.

EDIT: Caomhaoin's first paragraph that is

There was a bit of that but it's mostly the economy. Cost of living and inflation meant workers felt they'd have more money in their pocket under Trump. So running a candidate in harris that has presided over that for the last 4 years was the Democrats downfall. Should have gone with someone else.

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2024, 08:17:00 AMJust saw some exit poll data that shows all major demographics (by ethnicity and gender) followed their 2020 voting trends very closely, except one: Latino men shifted from giving Biden a +23 point majority in 2020 to giving Trump a +8 majority this time round.

https://x.com/NiallStanage/status/1854030085906456947

Fascinating 😂

Ah no seriously though. These shifty Latins, they've put democracy itself in jeopardy!

Don't think that exit poll tracked Arab voters, but support there unsurprisingly (but tragically unwisely) collapsed too. Bibi has already congratulated Trump for one of the greatest comebacks in history.

'Tragically unwisely' (wat😂) or not, the man has survived the gauntlet and then he went and won the fuckin' thing. Ah lads. I won't pretend I'm displeased in the slightest, gas craic altogether.

So when does he give himself a pardon?

Yes Kev, if the shift was on the basis of Palestine, as seems to be the case in say Michigan, then imo it was unsurprising yet tragically unwise with respect to Palestinian and regional ME interests, that Arab American voters shifted their support from the DNC to MAGA. I'm not sure I can express that thought in simpler terms.

Speculation.

Listen I can imagine you're finding this mornings news 'un plato de mal gusto' so I'll leave you off for today :)

Naturally it's speculation. That's why I included the imo. Ask your kid next time you get confused by this new-fangled internet slang  :laugh:

Jon Schaffer planning his comeback now

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 28, 2024, 04:18:13 AMSo if Trump wins, we'll have a smooth transition of power and then, imo, disaster. But if Harris wins, it looks like it's going to be MAGA-instigated chaos from day one

Presuming we're in the first scenario here, the fact that both sides of this coin were at once so easily predictable and yet so much ignored or denied by one side speaks volumes. In other words, the mere fact it was obvious to anyone looking on objectively that there was only one side who would throw a tantrum if they lost--who was in fact openly preparing to throw a tantrum if they lost having already thrown a tantrum last time they lost--should have been enough on its own, in any nation of vaguely serious people, to ensure the loss of that side. Again, as I also said elsewhere, the DNC didn't run a campaign that deserved to win and that's on them, but holy fuck... what a profoundly unserious nation of people the US truly is. No news there though!  :)

What a fucking mess, the next 4 years will be a disaster, lame duck scenario...

Quote from: The Butcher on November 05, 2024, 09:54:06 AMMy humble prediction...bit more fun this way  ;D  All about PA really, Pennsylvania is the key to the white house, so many paths to victory with that state, you could give Harris winning WI/MI/GA from that list below and still lose.



If you want to mess around ->
https://www.270towin.com/maps/9y9bm



Looks like I was one state out...which seems obvious now if you see the stat that WI, MI and PA always vote the same way in many many recent election cycles.

Thought those states would be much more closer but in reality she was a woeful unlikeable candidate and democrats can only blame themselves for not taking Biden out two years ago and went through a normal process of selection. That doesn't mean Trump wasn't woeful or unlikeable :P

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2024, 08:30:07 AMDon't think that exit poll tracked Arab voters, but support there unsurprisingly (but tragically unwisely) collapsed too. Bibi has already congratulated Trump for one of the greatest comebacks in history.

Smotrich and Ben-Gvir have also expressed their jubilation at Trump winning.

Wisconsin flip officially announced: they think it's all over, it is now.