The Donald vs Big Tech

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

staggers from topic to topic

Deadly: as a bonus I've now gotten this stuck in my own head for the first time in years 

Moving from topic to topic... quite hypnotic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6oUz1v17Uo

[Ollkiller]

A house of cards is a house of cards, and if the likes of Clinton, Dershowitz, Gates, etc., are at risk of tumbling then that is not a tablecloth they'll be willing to have anyone pull on, even if it meant bringing down Trump. Apart from Prince Andrew, have any other cases been properly looked into? Not so far as I know.

Andrew wasn't even looked into properly what was it he got a fine or something that his Mammy paid off for him. Then you have everything that went on during the Maxwell trial and her being convicted of trafficking to nobody.

I think they could very easily spin that as they have done with other things in the past because something like being properly involved with Epstein is one of the few things that would easily turn everyone against him.

Well in the released tapes epstein talks about trump being his best friend for 10 years. Is that properly involved?

When was the interview from before or after Epstein was arrested? Did he mention the Clintons or Bush in the tapes? I have seen the paintings he had hanging in his house of Bill Clinton and George Bush or was it just specifically Trump that was mentioned? Also I can't remember exactly what as it has been so long since I looked at any of the Epstein stuff but didn't Trump have some part to play in Epstein originally being caught? Just seems like perfect timing for this news to come out a few days before the election especially given how Wolff feels about Trump.

Interview was dome 2 years ago so I presume after epstein was arrested. Not sure on that tbh. It was conducted by Andrew wolff who was writing a book about trump so the interview is about epsteins relationship with trump.

[Ollkiller]

I think he's objectively worse in much the same way that someone who shits themself is objectively worse to have to deal with than someone who pisses themself 

Throw up a verbatim transcript of the most incoherent thing she's ever come out with there and we can ask a text analyzer to compare.

I'm sure you already know this, and I do think your contesting with the pro-Trumpers is really valuable on here, but overall it's not really about Trump or Harris for them. I doubt that realistically they give even the remotest shit about Trump, and even less about Harris. They're merely avatars for what they represent (similar to when it was Trudeau they all hated and suddenly Canadian politics and policy was important to them). People tend to react to their values being tested or challenged. Their core values. Analyzing text is a hiding to nothing. It's obvious Trump is a loon, but if he represents people's values then they'll support him no matter what he does, as we've seen over the last 8yrs. The more uncomfortable discussion would be why do you support Trump. And nothing to do with American politics. Is it because of your issues with immigrants? Do you oppose feminism etc etc. There are much more uncomfortable but useful conversations to be had. Even if just with themselves.

You're bang on the money. It is totally related to values. And it's to an extent an urban/rural divide.

[Caomhaoin]

I think he's objectively worse in much the same way that someone who shits themself is objectively worse to have to deal with than someone who pisses themself 

Throw up a verbatim transcript of the most incoherent thing she's ever come out with there and we can ask a text analyzer to compare.

I'm sure you already know this, and I do think your contesting with the pro-Trumpers is really valuable on here, but overall it's not really about Trump or Harris for them. I doubt that realistically they give even the remotest shit about Trump, and even less about Harris. They're merely avatars for what they represent (similar to when it was Trudeau they all hated and suddenly Canadian politics and policy was important to them). People tend to react to their values being tested or challenged. Their core values. Analyzing text is a hiding to nothing. It's obvious Trump is a loon, but if he represents people's values then they'll support him no matter what he does, as we've seen over the last 8yrs. The more uncomfortable discussion would be why do you support Trump. And nothing to do with American politics. Is it because of your issues with immigrants? Do you oppose feminism etc etc. There are much more uncomfortable but useful conversations to be had. Even if just with themselves.

That's an intelligent post.

I don't agree that Trump is a 'loon' and people wouldn't vote for him no matter what (he's clearly been the victim of a witch-hunt and his supporters (and deep down his opponents)simply don't believe the shit-slinging) but you make a good point about the avatar.

For me it boils down to resisting or accepting globalism and all that that entails. Trump appears to offer respite from it, just like Farage, Tommy Robinson, Le Pen, AfD etc etc etc do. Whether or not they'll have any success is another question.

I'm resigned to the globalists winning in the end, because right and left worldwide have become so loathsome and retarded in the contrarian view that common ground is about as likely as Harris and Trump doing a Brezhnev style smooch at the concession ceremony. Just look at myself and Chris, Ollkiller Mickooo)) and the fella from Tipp with the name from typing class in first year - probably have a great laugh down the boozer if we didn't know each others 'leanings' on here...

[astfgyl]

Ah I think when we're shooting the breeze here about our leanings it comes across as far more confrontational than it would in a real life conversation and there's nobody on the board here I wouldn't have a pint with because of their political stance. It's never like social media out there in the real world thank fuck.

Even the odd bit of smartarsery here sounds kinda vicious when it would be said with a laugh in the pub, just an oul bitta craic.

And yeah, Mooncat has hit the nail on the head here about Trump and Harris. I'm not a supporter of either but what the Republicans are telling their lies about seems to align more with my general vibe. I wouldn't be as extremely for or against as that sounds either. I'm a centrist, which happen by a shift to a more conservative viewpoint as I aged, coming from a far more left leaning position

[Ollkiller]

Aye the online world ain't the real world. If we were all in the boozer it'd be a rager of a night.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

For me it boils down to resisting or accepting globalism and all that that entails. Trump appears to offer respite from it, just like Farage, Tommy Robinson, Le Pen, AfD etc etc etc do.

That's an unfinished thought though: if your turn-tos for "resistance to globalism" are Trump, Farage, Le Pen, AfD, etc., then what it really boils down to is "globalism bad, global imperialism good." I don't think neoliberal globalism is good; I tend to think global imperialism is worse, but I'm more than willing to say it's much of a muchness, especially if that entails better organization of resistance to both. It's as plain as the nose on your face that the likes of Trump, Farage and Le Pen lie through their teeth about representing the common man when, for example, in France the Front National consistently vote against taxing the super rich (i.e. the masterminds and primary benefactors of global imperialism, in France your Bernard Arnaults, Vincent Bollorés [the French Murdoch], etc.) and vote against raising the minimum wage, etc., instead choosing the tactic of pointing at the brown people big bad globalism is bringing in, when what they want is to keep the brown people slaving away for them from a good safe distance.

[astfgyl]

Both candidates are really annoying with their existential threat guff about the other side. Like seriously lads the world didn't end in 2016 or 2020, but this time they really mean it, right? Ffs

It didn't improve either time, fair enough, but certainly the world didn't end as far as I know

[The Butcher]

My humble prediction...bit more fun this way    All about PA really, Pennsylvania is the key to the white house, so many paths to victory with that state, you could give Harris winning WI/MI/GA from that list below and still lose.



If you want to mess around ->
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[Black Shepherd Carnage]

In a similar vein, this swing vote analysis from The Onion is quality 

https://x.com/TheOnion/status/1853505855544574351

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Both candidates are really annoying with their existential threat guff about the other side.

Vote for @realDonaldTrump or the Dems will legalize so many illegals in swing states that this will be the last real election in America.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1853625288615157993

[astfgyl]

Both candidates are really annoying with their existential threat guff about the other side.

Vote for @realDonaldTrump or the Dems will legalize so many illegals in swing states that this will be the last real election in America.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1853625288615157993

There's no smoke without fire re grooming foreign born voters. We see it here too, but the existential shit is annoying for sure and Musk is one of the worst offenders

[Caomhaoin]

Yeah Musk should give his mouth a rest.

Existential threats, she's a communist, he said there'll be a bloodbath, our democracy at stake' 'it's ELECTRIC'!.

Tiresome bullshit but sure lookit. The craic will start when whichever of them is confirmed.

[Mooncat]

Well today's the big day!

Result aside, I do love an election. I finish work at about the time when the earliest states could be declared, so I'll be going home to put on the live coverage and watch it for the rest of the eve with a few drinks. Doubt we'll find out tonight though.

[astfgyl]

Yeah Musk should give his mouth a rest.

Existential threats, she's a communist, he said there'll be a bloodbath, our democracy at stake' 'it's ELECTRIC'!.

Tiresome bullshit but sure lookit. The craic will start when whichever of them is confirmed.

There's no way either of them will let it happen too handy anyway, even if one or the other wins by a landslide. Say trump does do it though, it'll be a bit funny to hear Democrats say the exact same things the maga crowd said last time about machines and postal voting.

Isn't it mad how countries, including ourselves, make something as simple as voting and having it counted so ridiculously difficult and not necessarily the will of the greater amount of people? The US seems to be needlessly complex in particular but the UK has it a bit weird as well.