Coronavirus

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Proof - if more were needed - of...um...well, of something!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/28/russia-admits-to-world-third-worst-covid-19-death-toll-underreported

[astfgyl]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

Proof of something indeed.

Here are 2 quotes from that shite in the guardian..

"Russia has been criticised for only listing Covid deaths where an autopsy confirms the virus was the main cause."

Wow, imagine being such fucking eejits to be going off determining the cause of death!

And..

"The Rosstat statistics agency said that the number of deaths from all causes recorded between January and November had risen by 229,700 compared with the previous year."

Indeed it had but here is some data which shows lots of years for Russia including as recently as 2017 to be worse.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/death-rate

What gives?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Don't be copying Kev and ad homineming the source rather than using arguments. From the stats page you linked:

NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

Also, an autopsy is not something administered as standard means to determine cause of death. That would incur a cost even countries much richer than Russia would see no reason to spend. What's interesting here, what you have to account for in your narrative, is their change of tune.

[astfgyl]

Not really surprising that the heads of the companies making the vaccines and the secondary service companies are making bank on it though, pretty expected

Yeah disaster capitalism at its best right there

Don't be copying Kev and ad homineming the source rather than using arguments. From the stats page you linked:

NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

Also, an autopsy is not something administered as standard means to determine cause of death. That would incur a cost even countries much richer than Russia would see no reason to spend. What's interesting here, what you have to account for in your narrative, is their change of tune.

The change of tune is exactly what I find the most interesting thing about it. In fact a lot have changed their tune sure look at Sweden suddenly trying to change the rule saying they can't lock down..

And yes autopsies are the exception rather than the rule but when the cause of death is contentious surely they are warranted?

So i checked the Moscow times and it says the worst deaths in a decade and presuming those numbers are right why did no one notice the last big year?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

There's a graph of excess deaths in Russia for the last five years in this article:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/12/28/russias-mortality-hit-16-year-high-in-november-official-data-says-a72505

[astfgyl]

Grand so if the excess is calculated as being over the previous 5 years average, then there will be less excess in say 2017 against the 5 higher years previous to that one, is that how it goes? So a low 2018 and 2019 brings down the 5 year average and allows this one to look exceptional?

Like November is the single worst in 16 years fair enough but life went on as far as I remember even though something more acute seemingly happened in 2004.

It's almost as if all countries are falling into lockstep, so to speak. I find this whole admission highly suspicious as it isn't as if the Russians are known for admitting things. It just adds to the feeling of wrong with everything

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Just say what you see man; October and November of this year have seen extraordinarily high mortality rates in Russia. So high that they can no longer try to explain it away with anything other than the thing that is causing extraordinarily high mortality rates in much of the world. That is what happening, going by all available data. Russia can no longer hide behind the smoke and mirrors of "Mother Russia is stronger than the West!" Simply too many bodies!

[astfgyl]

Yeah you're probably on the money. My suspicion of everything clouds things up a bit at times. Still find Russia admitting anything really out of character though

[Caomhaoin]

Don't be copying Kev and ad homineming the source rather than using arguments. From the stats page you linked:

NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

Also, an autopsy is not something administered as standard means to determine cause of death. That would incur a cost even countries much richer than Russia would see no reason to spend. What's interesting here, what you have to account for in your narrative, is their change of tune.

Yeah but doesn't your face redden even a bit when you use links to op-eds from the guardian en lieu of arguments?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Not an op-ed; was from Agence France-Presse.

[Caomhaoin]

I'm not following this thread closely, I mean your contributions in other yins

[Kurt Cocaine]

More of this to come no doubt.....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/group-who-destroyed-laois-house-during-illegal-rave-plan-dublin-new-year-s-eve-event-1.4447095

[Emphyrio]

Dopey cunts.

[Kurt Cocaine]

The government might say Level 5 lockdown....
But the people are already saying 'no'...... 

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/lockdown-ireland-hundreds-gather-portmarnock-19542322

[astfgyl]

Here is a fantastic article which speaks to how I broadly see things these days, ie it's a bad dose which no one wants and while opportunism abounds, it's probably not as coordinated as some of the things I read would have me thinking.

Anyway, have a read of it. I'd say I won't be the only one in agreement with most of it. In a way it reminds me of the stirring speech about the middle ground made by pedro in one of the other threads.

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/12/30/what-is-left-to-say/amp/?__twitter_impression=true