Coronavirus

[Ollkiller]

2 friends got it in the last few days and the boss at work had a outbreak in his family house. All related to outbreaks in schools.

[Emphyrio]

Which so far, are being put down to community transmission.

[astfgyl]

http://137.191.241.85/ed/ED.php

Many ways to interpret this one.

[astfgyl]

And probably less ways to explain this:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1346932737354002434

Remember the Euronews "No Comment" slot? Hardly seen it since I got riddled with kids..

[lifeeternal]

http://137.191.241.85/ed/ED.php

Many ways to interpret this one.

The trolley crisis is caused by the hospitals being full of perfectly healthy people with no where to go. There was an auld lad in Cork living in a private room for nearly two years but he couldn't be released because his family wouldnt take him. The nursing homes take people with Alzheimers and dementia before anyone else. That is what lead to the trolley crisis. I used to type up those reports. You can't interpret it because you don't understand what you are actually looking at because you don't know the context or reasons behind the information.

It's a similar thing with the ICU capacity, people need to be put on ventilators, physiotherapists do this, not nurses or doctors, we don't have enough physios to cope with the current demand. I understand this because I deal with it in my job, as do NPHET obviously. People who just look at numbers and go "but its less than last year" are not getting it.

[astfgyl]

As I said,  many ways to interpret it.

[astfgyl]

https://www.wionews.com/world/norway-investigating-death-of-two-people-who-received-pfizers-coronavirus-vaccine-354716

Now not saying they did die from the vaccine as that has not been established, but

Madsen also added that as people of advanced age are receiving the coronavirus vaccine first it is entirely possible that the deaths could be coincidental.

seems a bit unfair not to simply write them off as vaccine deaths as they would have if they had been covid positive. Now before anyone says it's more obvious when the old die of covid, think about the level of asymptomatic positives.

Did a check there on Norway's reporting of deaths and autopsies are not routinely performed there: https://norwaytoday.info/news/professor-wants-autopsy-of-all-coronavirus-deaths/

Saw this then in the links: https://norwaytoday.info/news/more-than-90-of-people-who-died-with-covid-19-in-norway-also-had-a-chronic-disease/

I propose vaccine related deaths be treated the same as covid deaths and simply assumed, given the unknowns involved.

Edit: here is another one to assume as a vaccine death https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/01/06/death-florida-doctor-following-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-under-investigation-gregory-michael/6574414002/

Edit 2: Ah jasus here's more: https://www.timesofisrael.com/88-year-old-dies-hours-after-vaccine-doctors-stress-he-was-seriously-ill/

3: This time it's the immigrants who did it: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9111311/Portuguese-health-worker-41-dies-two-days-getting-Pfizer-covid-vaccine.html

Now I'm not in any way saying that these are vaccine related in the least but it does show bias in the reporting method not to simply say it was that while ignoring any other negative health issues as is done with the daily covid death count. Notice how keen the reports are to stress that the jab is in no way proven to be the cause of death. Which is fair enough because it isn't proven. Same point again..

[astfgyl]

Another bit on the vaccines here from the BMJ: https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/

Worth a read.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

In-laws just got decimated by positive cases over the last week down in Spain. The sister of herself's brother-in-law was in hospital giving birth and she, the new-born, their other 2 year old kid, and the father all ended up infected, passed it on to the brother-in-law, who passed it on to his mother and also his other brother-in-law. Half of them symptomatic but doing grand for the moment. Closest explosion of cases to me so far anyway.

[astfgyl]

Hopefully they will all come out of it in good shape. Hearing of a good few positives round where I am as well, none getting it too bad so far thankfully.

[astfgyl]

The curious case of Belarus, the new Sweden now that Sweden has decided to build back better.

Life going on full flog, mortality in line with previous years.

I'm sure there is a counter argument but I haven't seen it yet.

Also my pal Luke o Neill says catching it is far more effective  than a vaccine. Surprised to hear that from him tbh.

Still reckon I'd rather herd immunity be achieved without my participation but the argument for the great Barrington declaration is as valid as ever.

Could do with beefing up the health service all the same for the future. It would be more cost effective than this shit repeating itself at some stage.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The way cases are going back home, I hope ye buck the trend, but if other countries' past progressions are anything to go by, then it's going to start looking very, very grim in hospitals and morgues in the next 10 days or so. Fingers crossed though!

[astfgyl]

The way cases are going back home, I hope ye buck the trend, but if other countries' past progressions are anything to go by, then it's going to start looking very, very grim in hospitals and morgues in the next 10 days or so. Fingers crossed though!

Yeah it looks bad by all accounts.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GrahamNeary/status/1348732228872916993/photo/1

No I haven't spent the 5 minutes to see if it's any good source but he is usually good that way and I also acknowledge that the staffing issues are a thing and I don't see that mentioned

But by most other accounts it is indeed very bad so fingers crossed here too

Edit: doesn't allow for the rush to clear the most pressing of the backlog of surgeries either.

[Nazgûl]

While in some ways i admire all the homework being done and discussion on this here the whole time, sometimes I just have to take a step back and realise that nobody here (to my knowledge) is a doctor, epidemiologist, etc.

I have a two mates who work in hospitals, one in St James and another in Tullamore. Both of them in the pastt week have told me they're getting to near breaking point, calling in emergency staff, people being treated in ambulances... All this joining of dots going on here is just the opposite of what I'm hearing from people I know on the ground, working through this shit every day.

EDIT: regarding that source...who is this guy 'Graham Neary - Stock Market Investor' and why the fuck should I listen to him about anything related to a health emergency.

[astfgyl]

You shouldn't listen to him at all.  I was saying that not everyone agrees before listing out some reasons his figures are debatable. But it's all debatable and that's the point. When something affects everyone in one way or another the debate can't be myopic. What comes next as a result of this is also important, is it to be invest in the health service or build the open prison? Whether the opinion is right or not it's worth knowing that there is one.

We are in a position now where the current response is inevitable. Let's hope that something will be learned from some of it .