Coronavirus

[Grim Reality]

Interesting discussion on here regarding the covid vaccine. While I  am broadly sympathetic to the views of Astfygl et al across the various threads on here (trump, blm, pc brigade etc) I feel we need to apply a bit of Occams Razor when thinking about this vaccine.

While there is definitely merit in looking into the issues around fast production, big pharma profits, advisors with conflicts of interest etc, you have to stop and ask yourself, why would I not get the vaccine?

Is it to feel satisfied that you are winning a little battle against the system, that you know what they are about and won't be fooled? Or is it genuine fear that it will cause you health problems?

On the first one, I think I alluded to in a previous post as a fatalist (or grim realist), I feel the system has been fucked for a long time and for longer than forever the rich/strong (governments/corporations) have been exploiting the weak/poor (us/the multitude). Its nothing new and will never change and piping up 'I know what you're up to!' is pissing in the wind. You will still continue to be dominated and exploited in different ways even if you don't get this damn vaccine. Going full Varg is maybe an option if you really feel strongly about it.

On the idea that it is untested and may do health damage. Well I choose to take it at face value that science has done its honourable best here. I don't think the nerds in the labs are the ones sitting around the boardroom table. I don't buy the panic and fear that this is a deadly virus. But it does kill off some and if I can play a part in reducing its transmission then I will. My parents are old. They are healthy enough but id rather not pass it to them if I could. I knew (half knew, a friend of a friend) a guy who got covid back in march. Around my age late 30s. He was on a ventilator for weeks and was 50/50 for much of it. Now the guy is/was the size of a house and a roaring alcoholic to boot, but he has a wife and kids who were called to expect the worst a couple of times. Thankfully he pulled through. If I could play a bit of a part in helping guys like that stick around for a few more decades then I will. I'll get the damn vaccine.

I'm healthy enough myself. But I like a drink and a smoke. Maybe if I caught covid it would hit me like a ton of bricks and id be fucked up for weeks? I'd prefer to get a vaccine with an unbelievably low risk of side effects.

Despite the fear driven government agenda, despite the misinformation, despite the shady business dealings and profits.

I think having scepticism around the whole shitshow is healthy. But it doesn't have to mean a black or white, polarised response in people, so typical of today's world.

And I know you have a nuanced view Astfygl, that's not aimed at you or anyone here in particular.

[Yung Led Zeppelin]

RE the fastest development of a vaccine thing, I mean.........it logically had to happen at some point. And now is the most recent point in history, with the most advancement of tech that would facilitate that happening. I think it's overplayed, even if I understand why it would make someone suspicious.

[astfgyl]

Interesting discussion on here regarding the covid vaccine. While I  am broadly sympathetic to the views of Astfygl et al across the various threads on here (trump, blm, pc brigade etc) I feel we need to apply a bit of Occams Razor when thinking about this vaccine.

While there is definitely merit in looking into the issues around fast production, big pharma profits, advisors with conflicts of interest etc, you have to stop and ask yourself, why would I not get the vaccine?

Is it to feel satisfied that you are winning a little battle against the system, that you know what they are about and won't be fooled? Or is it genuine fear that it will cause you health problems?

On the first one, I think I alluded to in a previous post as a fatalist (or grim realist), I feel the system has been fucked for a long time and for longer than forever the rich/strong (governments/corporations) have been exploiting the weak/poor (us/the multitude). Its nothing new and will never change and piping up 'I know what you're up to!' is pissing in the wind. You will still continue to be dominated and exploited in different ways even if you don't get this damn vaccine. Going full Varg is maybe an option if you really feel strongly about it.

On the idea that it is untested and may do health damage. Well I choose to take it at face value that science has done its honourable best here. I don't think the nerds in the labs are the ones sitting around the boardroom table. I don't buy the panic and fear that this is a deadly virus. But it does kill off some and if I can play a part in reducing its transmission then I will. My parents are old. They are healthy enough but id rather not pass it to them if I could. I knew (half knew, a friend of a friend) a guy who got covid back in march. Around my age late 30s. He was on a ventilator for weeks and was 50/50 for much of it. Now the guy is/was the size of a house and a roaring alcoholic to boot, but he has a wife and kids who were called to expect the worst a couple of times. Thankfully he pulled through. If I could play a bit of a part in helping guys like that stick around for a few more decades then I will. I'll get the damn vaccine.

I'm healthy enough myself. But I like a drink and a smoke. Maybe if I caught covid it would hit me like a ton of bricks and id be fucked up for weeks? I'd prefer to get a vaccine with an unbelievably low risk of side effects.

Despite the fear driven government agenda, despite the misinformation, despite the shady business dealings and profits.

I think having scepticism around the whole shitshow is healthy. But it doesn't have to mean a black or white, polarised response in people, so typical of today's world.

And I know you have a nuanced view Astfygl, that's not aimed at you or anyone here in particular.

No bother, I'm not taking it personally. It isn't as if you are wishing I get it and it fucks up my lungs or anything! My take on the vaccine is that it should be my own choice what I put into my body for better or worse. I agree with your points that the current system hasn't worked for almost all of us too. I don't really have the answer for what will work but I have a feeling that putting ever more control into the hands of giant faceless corporations won't improve things at all. It's like the electric car thing, it's all grand in theory for those who can afford one but a lot won't be able, me included.

Regarding the mate of yours who was ventilated, that in itself might have a lot to do with why he got such a bad time from it, and 90% less patients are now being ventilated with what has been learned in the meantime. Treatments are improving, the IFR is now 10 times less than was originally thought and there will be vaccines available for those most at risk. Sure I could be fucked up if I got it, but it's far more likely I would have something like a common cold than the extreme outcome. This whole notion of taking it away from being about oneself is dangerous territory as I see it. Like no one was ever made feel bad for getting the flu or not getting the vaccine, which I don't in spite of being years working in a pharmacy. Also no one ever tried to say I should buy into all sorts of ridiculous measures to avoid getting a cold in case I give it to a pensioner and they die from it. I have worked with around 30 different locum pharmacists due to lack of a permanent one for over a year, and not one of them gets the flu jab but they are happy enough to bang it out to everyone else. That tells its' own story as to what they think of it. I think everything has gone ridiculous, logic is gone out the window and I just don't buy it. Anyone feels vulnerable by all means have the thing I'm not against anyone putting what they like into their bodies in the slightest and in spite of my stance here on this one, I'm not anti vaccination either. it's the whole "save lives, stop living" that I disagree with and I believe with what we now know that everything should be open as normal and our lives lived as we wish within our invisible cages, which I accept are a thing and true freedom is an illusion if we get down to it.

[mickO)))]

Here is a short video about our pal Luke O' Neill

https://twitter.com/fionamflanagan1/status/1331001676262764546

Have to listen to that insufferable cunt on the radio everyday on newstalk because the lads have it on in work. He is also pushing a wrist band that can't be taken off for anyone who get's the vaccine and he said people will give out about civil liberties but they should wear it as a badge of honour 

[Kurt Cocaine]

Dr Tony HulaHoop predicting that 25% of the Irish population would be infected with the dreaded Swine Flu back in 2009.....

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-20104779.html


Fookin mong!

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/25/bodies-of-culled-mink-resurface-at-a-mass-grave-in-western-denmark

Metal as fook 

Rise rise rise my friends rise
Spirits rising from their grave
Burning shadows in the dead of night
Icy fingers all over my hand
Try to make me understand
"Finally we have returned all of us"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8SX-CFkPjI

[Kurt Cocaine]

https://www.thejournal.ie/minks-rise-from-mass-grave-in-denmark-5278662-Nov2020/?section=comment#comments

Down with pesky Biden supporting minks... 

[lifeeternal]

Dr Tony HulaHoop predicting that 25% of the Irish population would be infected with the dreaded Swine Flu back in 2009.....

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-20104779.html
"Could" infect 25% of the population.


Fookin mong!

[Kurt Cocaine]

Meanwhile in Chainah....

https://youtu.be/z4iym_bGgMo

[astfgyl]

Meanwhile in Chainah....

https://youtu.be/z4iym_bGgMo

Saw in-depth coverage of that on RTE right after they did the Prime Time episode covering the Europe-wide protests against restrictions such as the ones in Toulouse, Paris, Berlin, Naples etc.

Apparently it's all the fault of the Far Right.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The top voted comment on that video is quite amusing:

The governments are acting like they own the people.  We can't allow these control freaks to maintain control over our countries.

I guess this guy, and the one and a half thousand people who apparently thing this is a praise worthy comment, don't really know much about the politics of China! 

[astfgyl]

Yeah tbf, that looks like my general impression of a regular enough day over there. Brother in law lives there and often regales me with tales of how ridiculous the whole thing is. The craziest thing about it though is that he also maintains he has a far better life in terms of what he can earn and have there than he had here or in the US. He says that when one earns a few bob here it's gone on necessities and ever increasing bills while over there if the job is half decent, that people have plenty of spare coin to save or purchase luxuries. That likely applies only to a certain class though, or foreigners.

[astfgyl]

https://twitter.com/eileeniorio/status/1332739440368906244

Watch this clip and then defend it.

Go on.

And now watch this:

https://youtu.be/mfo7nbX2NR8

And then ask yourself if you still believe any of this is about a virus, even if it truly was at any stage.

Then slap yourself repeatedly until you wake up.

[astfgyl]

Careful not to kill any more of those precious grannies lads:

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-ap-top-news-understanding-the-outbreak-hunger-international-news-5cbee9693c52728a3808f4e7b4965cbd

Of course the virus is so deadly that this sort of collateral is fine, right?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

That is a serious argument alright. One of the few from the tack you've been taking...because if you step back and think about it, you'll notice that none of the "muH freEdumS!" anti-types are talking about it either.