An even more effective, plus easier to ship and store, vaccine from one of Pfizer's competitors:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/moderna-covid-vaccine-candidate-almost-95-effective-trials-show

What's the COVID19 denial take on this, I wonder? If it's all just a scam, why would Pfizer say their vaccine is only 90% effective and has to be stored at -80°C, leaving loads of margin for improvement from a competitor who comes in with 95% efficacity and standard refrigeration storage needs. Did Pfizer draw the shortest straw in the conspiratorial war room, allowed to announce first, but ultimately sacrificing the lion's share of the profit to be made? It will be (vaguely) interesting to see if and how this is confronted.

If Pfizer throw in some bonus Magic Mushies I'll gladly invest in their brand of poison.  8)

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 15, 2020, 08:49:13 PM
I'm just saying that all the conspiracy theories around the Great Reset are the same tropes I've heard repeated since the 80s. In the 70s the same people thought Henry Kissinger was the actual antichrist. That letter from that archbishop to Trump is cut from exactly the same cloth. Ultimately, they all trace back to the one world government, pre WWII theories. Either people back then were enormously prescient, but at the same time terrible with dates, or else it's just drawing concrete specific patterns from vagueness, just like reading your horoscope and being persuaded it fits your week down to a tee.

The Great Reset as I see it: No one asked for it, no one was asked if they wanted it, many governments are in on it, many unelected individuals are behind it, they have all conspired to force the issue on us now that an extremely convenient pandemic is upon us. I've named the main drivers of it, all global organisations (UN, WHO, WEF, World Bank, IMF). So it definitely isn't a globalist conspiracy theory, it's a reality coming to pretty much everywhere from now. The horoscopes are a lot more ambiguous than this lark. None of this is by consent and I do see your point about the biblical stuff (but I'd have to believe in the bible to think that's anything) and that letter to Trump (of all people) doing the rounds wouldn't be how I see it either. As with all things it is way more obvious and my suspicion given how it was being sold as "In 2030 you will own nothing, have no privacy and you will be happy" (since removed from the WEF website, but I saw it with my own eyes and posted it in the are we fucked thread a few months ago) is that it is not going to be anything I want any part of and yet is going to be foisted upon us all before we know it. So something that is sold with that tagline and is in the works for a few years and has the sort of backing it does is a lot of red flags for a suspicious type such as myself but I'd be amazed if anyone wasn't suspicious reading that and seeing who is in on it. It's going to be fucking horrible. It's regrettable for me that I have to be lumped in with a lot of shitehawks for pointing this out but it isn't any secret now what the plan is.

My take on the pandemic thing is that since the definition changed about a decade ago from being about severity to being about geographical spread, some of these opportunists have been waiting for the right time and sure enough we had swine flu and bird flu which didn't take off but this one has taken off big time and now is the time to use lockdowns which were never a part of any national pandemic management plan to fucking destroy SME's and massively increase personal debt, leaving the world ripe for this new Stakeholder Capitalism and everyone will have fuck all choice only to take it seeing as all of these borrowings to cover the cost of lockdowns must be gotten from somewhere and to be sure it will be someone who wants certain conditions attached to the repayments as banks aren't there for the greater good at the end of the day.

Regarding the vaccine production, it would be very interesting indeed to see how the producers are testing the participants vs how the public are being tested. I bet they don't do the 45 cycles on those lads to demonstrate the efficacy. So all these producers are simply doing what they do and trying to cure a variant of a cold virus (never done in how many years?) and they have been paid so much already just for trying that it isn't the biggest deal if they aren't first to market, there are 8 billion customers and the companies will all do the finest. Sure whoever is last will just have to deal with the African or South American market instead of the US and European ones.

What do you make of the antibodies being found in Italian blood samples from asymptomatic patients last September and where was the collapse of civilisation then? So strange that. Puts me in mind of the study I linked ages ago which said that in 2018 winter season, Italy had it's worst death toll since WWII with the level of ILI (not confirmed as flu). I wonder how far back we can actually go to find the beginning of this? In fact 2018 season was a very bad one all over the northern hemisphere. So no one has to be a denier of covid to call out the absolute shite that is going on in the name of it when we could all get on with life right up to this March. Look at all the public health advisors who have received funding from vaccine manufacturers. That is their contribution I reckon, convincing us all that everyone needs the silver bullet and that doesn't need to be connected to the Great Reset opportunists who are also taking advantage of their big chance. It seems that just as was called out by Wolfgang Wodarg at the start, it is all of the little helpers we should be wary of and this virus is not as novel as we were led to believe. Fucking laughing now at that fucking wet market story!

The WEF stuff is sort of off the track of this thread anyway and I'll try to keep it more on-topic going on. I have some beauts for the conspiracy thread involving them without covid. but what they are predicting to come next which will be much much worse for us all in 2021. Horoscope: You will have bad luck this decade with acronyms

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/back-off-lockdowns-and-protect-vulnerable-say-irish-doctors-1.4404553

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Ireland should "back off" lockdowns and begin "intensive protection of the vulnerable" as part of an alternative Covid-19 strategy, according to a group of 21 Irish-based doctors.

Death rates, and pressure on hospital beds and intensive care units, are similar to previous years when respiratory diseases circulated, according to a "white paper" by the Covid-19 Ireland: A Scientific Approach group.

The signatories to the paper include doctors who have signed previous anti-lockdown letters. But it also includes Prof Jack Lambert, an infectious diseases expert at the Mater hospital in Dublin.

The group claims Covid-19 has been replaced as a driver of harm in society by the "official, misguided response" to the disease. And it adds that the "enormous and disproportionate cost" of lockdowns "grows worse by the day".

A "fixation" on the virus has led to "the worst cost-benefit of a public health intervention in living memory", the group claims, with lockdown "significantly undermining" elements of public health and increasing the gap between rich and poor.

Stop making sense.

#2209 November 16, 2020, 05:56:13 PM Last Edit: November 16, 2020, 06:22:40 PM by astfgyl
Quote from: Airneanach on November 16, 2020, 05:44:32 PM
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Ireland should "back off" lockdowns and begin "intensive protection of the vulnerable" as part of an alternative Covid-19 strategy, according to a group of 21 Irish-based doctors.

Death rates, and pressure on hospital beds and intensive care units, are similar to previous years when respiratory diseases circulated, according to a "white paper" by the Covid-19 Ireland: A Scientific Approach group.

The signatories to the paper include doctors who have signed previous anti-lockdown letters. But it also includes Prof Jack Lambert, an infectious diseases expert at the Mater hospital in Dublin.

The group claims Covid-19 has been replaced as a driver of harm in society by the "official, misguided response" to the disease. And it adds that the "enormous and disproportionate cost" of lockdowns "grows worse by the day".

A "fixation" on the virus has led to "the worst cost-benefit of a public health intervention in living memory", the group claims, with lockdown "significantly undermining" elements of public health and increasing the gap between rich and poor.

Stop making sense.

I linked that white paper there a few posts ago. It seems to be getting a bit of notice thank god but I doubt it will make any real difference to policy here any time soon. Interesting speech from Michael McNamara TD in the Dail where he reveals that a member of NPHET runs a PCR testing lab. Conflict of interest anyone? Always jobs for the boys in this fucking country

Oh and if anyone wants to know why cases are going down, have a look at the number of tests per day here and notice the sudden drop immediately at the implementation of level 5. Notice the level of tests drop sharply before there is any chance for the restrictions to make any difference as well..

Source: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/ireland?country=~IRL#how-many-tests-are-performed-each-day

Edit: Lads this just gets funnier and funnier. Look at this : https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED%3ANOTICE%3A506291-2020%3ATEXT%3AEN%3AHTML

"The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs' reaction text are missed."


#2210 November 17, 2020, 12:09:27 AM Last Edit: November 17, 2020, 12:54:48 AM by astfgyl
I don't usually post in this thread but someone definitely pissed into the BMJ's cornflakes lately with all of the articles against the current policy. Unfortunately for us here, it pertains to the UK:

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4436?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=hootsuite&utm_content=sme&utm_campaign=usage

Edit: another nugget around testing. unfortunately it's a fucking big nugget so only for the very hungry..

https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(20)30614-5/fulltext

TLDR: 44% of positives verified didn't hold up. That's a serious shot of needless quarantine there. Of course, the positivity rate has since increased, as we are into sick season but it shows up but one facet of the fucking diamond of a sham we are living in.


#2212 November 17, 2020, 02:46:12 PM Last Edit: November 17, 2020, 03:07:28 PM by astfgyl
Quote from: Pedrito on November 17, 2020, 06:00:40 AM
https://financialpost.com/financial-times/why-the-pfizer-ceo-selling-62-of-his-stock-the-same-day-as-the-vaccine-announcement-looks-bad

A lot of that sort of thing to be found if we scratch the surface of who profits from this lark. It's not the worst I've seen, but a bit too clever to be nice.

For a change I'm going to put something mildly positive on here... https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-mouthwash-can-kill-coronavirus-within-30-seconds-study-finds-12134289. I hope there is something to it.

And then I'm going to temper it somewhat with https://sophieehill.shinyapps.io/my-little-crony/

It's UK stuff but how I would love to see an Irish version of the same. NPHET member running PCR lab must be only scratching the surface really.

... But back to more positive news https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/resistance-at-cabinet-sees-plan-to-fine-outdoor-drinkers-shelved-1.4411551?localLinksEnabled=false+plan+to+fine+outdoor+drinkers+is+put+on+hold+by+Minister+for+Health

Yes, fuck you Donnelly. Also have a read of the quote with the asterisk where Glynn said we will have "hundreds of thousands" of cases by January if large numbers come home for christmas. These lads would really want to temper the predictions a bit.

Ah here we are finally. A randomised controlled trial on mask wearing. The Danish one that the journals wouldn't publish until now.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

Conclusion #1: Absolutely nothing in here makes me want to wear a mask outside of my regular S&M activities.

Conclusion #2: The study in itself seems to have been a waste of time as the results are meaningless.

Conclusion #3: Nothing in the results says anyone who wants to wear one shouldn't do it if it makes them feel better.

So now Sweden has crumbled and the prime minister there has released a video saying they need to Build Back Better. This is some sick shit and I said a few posts ago that it is not a conspiracy theory it is a conspiracy fact. Go on, someone argue the opposite.

Since you've been coming back to it so often in recent posts, decided to look it up. It's got some recent history anyway:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Back_Better

#2216 November 18, 2020, 11:34:03 PM Last Edit: November 18, 2020, 11:42:22 PM by astfgyl
Yep, it's not a new term at all. All that was needed was the appropriate crisis to build back better from! No wonder The New Normal was coined immediately upon the outbreak of covid-19 and long before anyone knew anything about it in any meaningful way.

If the Big Black Boots was such a great idea, surely it could have been done by consent and without the artificially perpetuated crisis?

"In 2030 I will have no privacy, own nothing and be happy about it". Who in the name of any fucking god is going to want that? Enter stage 1, coronavirus, IFR of fuck all. Can't wait for stage 2. My spider sense tells me it's going to be way worse. Oh wait that wasn't my spider sense, it was the representative of the WEF who said it lately, as if he could predict the future...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZRg5kiH9Is

...and the man himself, Mr Schwab...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DKRvS-C04o

Now ask ourselves where did this fella come from and why does he get to hold audience with all world leaders. Is it starting to look dicey yet?

Edit: I genuinely want to be wrong here, but if I am happier than ever having nothing, who gets to be happier having everything? I have never wanted to be wrong more about anything other than the idea that I'm not immortal.

"Welcome to 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better"
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/shopping-i-can-t-really-remember-what-that-is/

QuoteAuthor's note: Some people have read this blog as my utopia or dream of the future. It is not. It is a scenario showing where we could be heading - for better and for worse. I wrote this piece to start a discussion about some of the pros and cons of the current technological development. When we are dealing with the future, it is not enough to work with reports. We should start discussions in many new ways. This is the intention with this piece.

That's not to dismiss your point, just the author's perspective, given in good or bad faith, who knows.

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 18, 2020, 11:41:06 PM
"Welcome to 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better"
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/shopping-i-can-t-really-remember-what-that-is/

QuoteAuthor's note: Some people have read this blog as my utopia or dream of the future. It is not. It is a scenario showing where we could be heading - for better and for worse. I wrote this piece to start a discussion about some of the pros and cons of the current technological development. When we are dealing with the future, it is not enough to work with reports. We should start discussions in many new ways. This is the intention with this piece.

That clarification is a load of shite. See my above edit for what I think of it. The clarification also only came after rakes of people were immediately resistant to the idea and has only come in the very recent past. Hardly anything to do with the fact they are selling something no-one wants to buy.

What do you make of the prediction of the next disaster which will make this one look like afternoon tea? Again, I want to feel like everyone else does about it, and I hope I'm not too old to enlist as one of the oppressors.

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 18, 2020, 11:44:03 PM
That's not to dismiss your point, just the author's perspective, given in good or bad faith, who knows.

The good old pink warning bar when I go to reply! I just don't trust the whole thing but my whole red flag around conspiracy theories being unlikely was the fact there are too many mouths to keep shut but this one transcends that by every mouth being wide open all of a sudden.