Coronavirus

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

OK. So the hypothesis is that the vaccine does what it was designed to do, but that the excess spike proteins its mechanism of action gives rise to is carcinogenic to the organism. Will have a look for research in that direction.

[son of the Morrigan]

OK. So the hypothesis is that the vaccine does what it was designed to do, but that the excess spike proteins its mechanism of action gives rise to is carcinogenic to the organism. Will have a look for research in that direction.

No. I never suggested the vaccine did what it was designed to do.

It neither decreased illness nor prevented transmission.

My hypothesis is firstly that there was
no need of a vaccine in the first place, secondly that the vaccine did more harm than good,and thirdly that mRNA vaccines are detrimental to human health, cancer being but one of its side effects, along with clotting, cardiac events and infertility.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The mechanism of action of the mRNA vaccine is to stimulate cells into producing a form of the spike protein: on a molecular level, that is what its designers designed it to do. And you must agree it does that, otherwise there would be no extra spike proteins in vaccinated organisms to, in your hypothesis, cause cancer, etc.

Is it possible the spike protein produces carcinogenic effects? Yes. Though if it does, then that entails that covid infection also comes with a carcinogenic effect, since the surface of every covid-19 virus molecule is covered in spike proteins. Have studies shown a link between covid infection and cancer rates? Some have, yes. Oof, this is all getting pretty complex!

In other words, there won't be any tidy answers. But I've shown what, afaik, is the largest all cause mortality study. It points to reduced mortality in vaccinated vs unvaccinated over 4 years (we can't really do any longer yet).

I'll look at any serious study you have to show, but don't ask me to spend an hour or hours listening to someone who also happens to be a former UKIP candidate, revealed his latest hypotheses at a Reform Party conference, and seems extremely cosy with RFK Jr, who recently found himself obliged to do a 180 on measles vaccination. Am I telling you to listen to a mate of Zack Polanski? No, I'm showing you serious and massive studies. And I'll happily look at any you have to show.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Curioser and curioser: beyond all the above, Dalgleish is also Chief Scientific Officer of Immunor, a vaccine development company based in Norway who make non-mRNA based vaccines. They even proposed one for covid!

[Emphyrio]

This chap has similar views to Dalgleish. Reform tried to distance themselves from him and his views. Yes, that Reform.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62z4rd87nlo

[son of the Morrigan]

Ah lads, so what if he ran for election?
What has his politics got to do with his qualifications as an oncologist?

So what if he works for a pharma company?
Sure the research you linked was carried out by pharma company heads too.

The fact that the vaccine produces spike protiens is not proof that the vaccine is effective.

RFk jr. And measels has nothing got to do with this at all.

I didn't get to that french study yet, but when I do I'll let ya know whats wrong with it .

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The fact that the vaccine produces spike protiens is not proof that the vaccine is effective.

I didn't make that claim. The claim you made, about the vaccine causing cancer, is that the spike protein the vaccine makes the organism produce is carcinogenic. All I said is that, if that is the case, then the spike proteins found all over the virus you also want to claim is next-to-harmless and therefore didn't require a vaccine in the first place (despite the fact that the lad you're telling us to listen to about mRNA vaccines being dangerous proposed a vaccine for it himself) would also be carcinogenic. In which case the respective cancer causing potentials of the virus and the vaccine would have to be epidemiologically compared and weighed up against each other. And this is just a glimpse of the true complexity of the issue.

[Barnacle Billy]

Ah lads, so what if he ran for election?
What has his politics got to do with his qualifications as an oncologist?

So what if he works for a pharma company?
Sure the research you linked was carried out by pharma company heads too.

The fact that the vaccine produces spike protiens is not proof that the vaccine is effective.

RFk jr. And measels has nothing got to do with this at all.

I didn't get to that french study yet, but when I do I'll let ya know whats wrong with it .

Ah lad, God bless you... You're dealing with membership of a trance'd ouh cult 

[Barnacle Billy]

Stay strong, bruddah ❤️

[astfgyl]

In related news, Moderna have a new mRNA flu shot at the ready, after the roaring success of their Covid one.

[Goosebumples]

We're four five years out from the end of all shite lads, would ye not be better off channeling yer undiagnosed autism toward star wars or warhammer or something like a normal person?

[Barnacle Billy]

No!

[Goosebumples]

No!

Suppose yer resolute, if anything

[Barnacle Billy]

No!

Suppose yer resolute, if anything

I just hate... and I mean HATE... Gubmint sanctioned m'urder... Right!

[Goosebumples]

No!

Suppose yer resolute, if anything

I just hate... and I mean HATE... Gubmint sanctioned m'urder... Right!

If thats the case, I'm certain star wars would be a healthier specialist interest for you