The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The typical problem in this thread is not people playing dumb but people playing knowledgeable about things they have a strong opinion but little knowledge about. On the question of journalistic ethics, I am dumb and have no problem admitting it. Have asked a journalist friend, don't know when he'll get back to me though, it being Paddy's day and all.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

He must be babysitting and on the dry like me  Pasting in his replies from a whatsapp exchange:

If they said "I'll give you a lift back to Dublin if I can interview you", that would be unethical.

If it was totally separate, i.e. the interview was done and that was the end of it, an individual journalist thought it would be the decent thing to do, independent of their employer, that is different.

It's hard to know what their motivation would be, i.e. trying to develop a source or maybe Virgin directed them to do it?  I'd like to think it was humans trying to be sound, but it raises questions and speculation. Easiest way to avoid that grey area is not do it.

are we talking about a video interview that was in the can? Then the person can say they were just being sound.

It's kind of a moot point anyway. There's not really objective ethical standards to adhere to. It depends on the publication/station. Like the Irish Times [where he used to work] has a code of ethics it sets out. But that is voluntary. I'm quite sure the Daily Mail doesn't do that 

[astfgyl]

The typical problem in this thread is not people playing dumb but people playing knowledgeable about things they have a strong opinion but little knowledge about. On the question of journalistic ethics, I am dumb and have no problem admitting it. Have asked a journalist friend, don't know when he'll get back to me though, it being Paddy's day and all.

Do you honestly need to ask a journalist friend about the right and wrong of that situation?

I don't believe that for one second.

Edit: I was thinking of committing an oul rape or two but I sent a message to my rapist friend first to see if they could decide for me whether it was right or wrong first.

Grow up

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I'd encourage you to re-read your 'Edit' a few times until you see why it doesn't work as a parallel to the situation we're talking about, on top of being needlessly distasteful, and then edit your post a second time to delete it.

[astfgyl]

I'd encourage you to re-read your 'Edit' a few times until you see why it doesn't work as a parallel to the situation we're talking about, on top of being needlessly distasteful, and then edit your post a second time to delete it.

No. You are being distasteful by insulting both your own and my intelligence by pretending that you can't see what is wrong with Virgin Media news giving the lads a lift back into town and then reporting on the same situation as if it had nothing to do with them.

You will have to do better. When you stop your obfuscation in trying to make on that's grand for the news channel to do then I will stop comparing it to very distasteful things.

But you won't so I won't.

Delete?

You're having a fucking laugh surely.

I know you see it and also you know you see it but you're so hopelessly biased as to pretend to both you and I that you don't see it.

That's your problem. I picked the thing that was in the poorest taste for a reason and you have of course spotted that too but you are too politically bent to see it.

I stand over everything I've said on this one.

Edit: I'm actually disappointed with the weakness of your argument on this one. You usually give me something to think about.

Do better.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Sure anyway, I showed you everything the lad I asked said. What you presumed to be true in this particular case struck me as an interesting general question, so I asked a mate who'd know better about it than me, and the contextual elements he told me are just that: (mildly) interesting.

It's a lot like making love to a beautiful woman but asking Swiss Tony for advice first.

[astfgyl]

I'd encourage you to re-read your 'Edit' a few times until you see why it doesn't work as a parallel to the situation we're talking about, on top of being needlessly distasteful, and then edit your post a second time to delete it.

Actually the more I think about it, I should have phrased that better.

So I was wondering if a particular aspect of rape was right or wrong and I messaged my friend who does that for a living to talk me through it. He said it was grand so now I'll use what he said to back up my weak shit politically biased argument and now I don't have to take responsibility for having my own opinion on right and wrong because someone who knows what it's all about has already done that for me.

Weak as a kitten. Do better

[The Butcher]

https://twitter.com/surplustakes/status/1770020025945948164

I wonder how soon it will take to have these type of notices to be plonked up in public over here. Also had the Ramadan RTE news segments. It took how long to get out of Catholic control in this country just to let other (worse imo) religions fester and burrow in?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Pluralism is a good way forward though. If Catholicism had had a pluralist mindset, we'd have maintained a much more vibrant attachment to our pagan traditions. The problem with things like this King's Cross Koran message is it's paying lip-service to pluralism by turning it into a shallow feat of account balancing; they think what's needed is less Christianity and more Islam/other minority religions. Any nation with a proper educational system has nothing to worry about with celebrating the cultural aspects of various traditions, because the education will ensure that these are understood as culture and not descriptions of reality (i.e. education, not censorship in any direction, is the only long-term preventive against fundamentalism, or religions "festering and burrowing in"). Throwing up arms at things like this (which are mistakes imo because at the same time there does appear to be a push to minimize visibility of Christianity, which in my view is the other side of the same mistake) only exacerbates the potential for said festering. And that includes festering among your BNP types also.

[hellfire]

That may well be the biggest load of crap you've written on here. There has been so much, but I think you've finally peaked.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

"I think we should educate society to live and let live universally."
"Peak crap!"

Pretty good summation of the dynamic between us in this thread alright!

[astfgyl]

"I think we should educate society to live and let live universally."

That's the lefty I used to think I was until I got magically transported to the far right without changing my ways at all

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Don't know I'd call it "lefty": it's the core of classic Enlightenment humanism and as a value it's been pissed on as much by the "left" as the "right" since first being nominally gestured towards as the grand unifying principle of modern western civilization.

[son of the Morrigan]

Catholicism is a fine religion, its Roman Catholicism that's problematic.
Irish Catholicism was a very laid back affair comfortably incorporating pagan and Christian traditions until the mid 1800s when the Vatican decided to bring it too heel.
Up until then there were no priestly garments, mass was regarded as a once in a while affair, the Priest wasn't overly revered and Saint days ware often celebrated in pagan tradition, like shaking chicken blood on the four corners of the house for St. Martins day for instance.
The ever increasing demand for vocations from the Vatican, its involvement in the education system, and its Iron fist approach after the mid 1800s has been sometimes referred to as "the black rash", the symptoms of which we suffer from to this day.
I say we tell the Vatican to go fuck its self and go back to our auld half-arsed approach to Catholicism, if there's one thing the Irish do well its half-arsing.
 

[hellfire]

Great news about Varadkar stepping down. Now if the rest of the current government would fuck off with him that would be great. My guess is they're going to try to get someone who will appear less woke until they get reelected. After that they'll go back to the business of fucking the country up.