The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

"He's the most skillful, the most devious, the most cunning of them all."

Charlie on Bertie. Most above a certain age would say Charlie was the worst, but Bertie has to be given his dues for his active contributions to how bad Charlie was, well before his own time even came around. I couldn't stand Leo, but honestly think he pales compared to those two. Not to an extent I'd be bothered arguing it though; shower of selfish pricks the lot of them.

[John Kimble]

Undoubtedly Aherne and Haughey were dodgy AF. I don't think this is in dispute. And in terms of outright crookedness, far worse than Varadkar. Apart from that suggestion of leaking info to a GP acquaintance, Leo was far too shrewd to get embroiled in a scandal. But zero, absolutely ZERO likeability. Consistently came across as insincere and smarmy, even by political standards. Aherne could fall back on the Good Friday Agreement, to an extent, and Haughey...well, I'm struggling here tbh, between the Arms Crisis, tax evasion and extra-marital affairs.
The prevailing mood in the country is very low. Mood isn't a very tangible thing and hard to quantify, but I think at a time of supposedly increased prosperity and higher standards of living, things are pretty bad. I'm delighted Varadkar is gone but I'm only unhappy that it wasn't through a general election, where the public got to express their dissatisfaction through the ballot box.

[Ollkiller]

As much as I didn't like the man I think Leo was worse than Bertie

Nowhere near. At the height of the celtic tiger there were no social houses built. He created the housing crisis we have now. Leo's a cunt but Haughey and Bertie were far bigger cunts.

[Pagan Saviour]

I'm going to dig in and say worse, the country is a shambles at the minute in every respect.

[hellfire]

Bad as Bertie undoubtedly was I could live a normal life while he was in power. Not saying he was more likeable than Varadkar. He certainly wasn't more honest anyway.

[Pagan Saviour]

Bad as Bertie undoubtedly was I could live a normal life while he was in power

That's it.

I think you'll see longer lasting damage from Leo's tenure.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Maybe so, but a significant part of the damage you're living now is long lasting stuff from Bertie's tenure.

[astfgyl]

Was only chatting to a lad about this. One is as bad as the other but we had money or at least the illusion of it with Bertie The Absolute Bollix.

Also agree on the general fuck the lot of em vibe though.

I despise all of it.

[hellfire]

His resignation could only be bettered by his death.

That's it in a nutshell

[Ollkiller]

Lads yer way off the mark. Haughey fucked this country for years in the 70's and 80's. The shit show that is housing is all FF and berties fault.

And if we want to go for the worst taoiseach take a bow De Valera. Sold this country to the Catholic Church leading to untold horrors and a crap economy that was only turned around when Sean Lemass was Taoiseach.

 

[Pagan Saviour]

Stick a black metal logo top left and you have one of the most spine chilling album sleeves of all time

[The Butcher]

The FF governments since the 90s ballooned the property bubble and rejigged the tax code eliminating the idea of a single income family (or just one earner individual) being able to exist on one wage which catapulted the bubble further to the detriment of all society. Now you can't really survive without two wages that is a huge shift in the wrong direction. FF/Greens then guaranteed ALL the banks (golden circle - Anglo/Nationwide should have been let fail) ensuring mistakes will be repeated due to no consequences - then NAMA put a floor on the property market and propped it up to no end. Someone mentioned the lack of social housing, so many different factors all contributing.

2012/2013 we had a chance to shift directions but FG/Labour made sure to continue the awful governance by using taxpayers money to bulldoze ghost estates and then introduce the vulture funds into the country which bounced the property market back into this hellish landscape we have now where it's extremely difficult to rent or buy a home and turning homes into housing units to stuff as many sardines in the can. Leo has ramped all this stuff up along with the rest of things we've moaned about in this thread and many others. 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

And if we want to go for the worst taoiseach take a bow De Valera. Sold this country to the Catholic Church leading to untold horrors

One of just many reasons stuff like this should be met with open alarm:
https://twitter.com/ThoughtsToby/status/1768979471690792960

[Mower Liberation Front]

This is going to be good. Going from a Harold Shipman fanboy as Taoiseach to Ralph Wiggum.

[Sworntothecans]

And if we want to go for the worst taoiseach take a bow De Valera. Sold this country to the Catholic Church leading to untold horrors

One of just many reasons stuff like this should be met with open alarm:
https://twitter.com/ThoughtsToby/status/1768979471690792960

This gobshite. Think he was posting a Traveller/local townie scraps from ballina and saying it was Ukrainians a few months back.