It is interesting from a rhetoric point of view alright, though as you say, from a neutral standpoint it feels like rhetoric pre-packed with all the necessary exit strategies that mean it engages to no particular concrete actions ("Actually what we said was X, and we're respecting that," etc.).

Take ownership of fuck ups? Ha ha, not unless you get caught drunkenly singing 'Ra songs or have your tweets from 2015 made public.

That Independent poll gave him a few ideas. Seeing the Mary Lou placards at those asylum centre protests gave him a few more. Of the 54 percent who thought that we had taken in too many, Sinn Fein voters were overrepresented. He's thinking maybe he might be able to get a candidate in on the first count next election if he plays this one right.

I've always thought being a politician as being a psychiatric disorder. Needing the approval from a large amount of people, sociopathic lying and a willingness to screw over your countrymen are surely symptomatic of some sort of defect.

It's all a moot point now anyway because Bertie is back to sort the place out  :laugh:

On a serious note though, as much as he fries me, varadkar is very good at being the slimy creature he is

Quote from: astfgyl on February 09, 2023, 01:28:12 PMOn a serious note though, as much as he fries me, varadkar is very good at being the slimy creature he is
Yeah, seems a big criteria for being a politician, at least in Ireland, is how long you can hold on to a top job no matter how much bullshit you get caught out on. He's been brilliant at it

He's a disgrace. I'd love to see him on the streets, homeless, without a pot to piss in.

Just thinking there, for the moment the political class essentially all grew up pre-social media, but that will change fast... and I don't think the change will be for the better. Are there a lot of spats between Irish politicians on say Twitter? I get the feeling it's a lot less than the US or French politicians, but maybe I just don't follow closely enough.

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 09, 2023, 02:47:10 PMJust thinking there, for the moment the political class essentially all grew up pre-social media, but that will change fast... and I don't think the change will be for the better. Are there a lot of spats between Irish politicians on say Twitter? I get the feeling it's a lot less than the US or French politicians, but maybe I just don't follow closely enough.

An interesting thought. I'm wondering if it could go the other way though where they're on social media and the popularity or unpopularity of their decisions/thoughts become immediately apparent to them. Probably already that way though and they just don't care because it's not the social media followers who pay them anyway

I highly doubt growing up on social media would make any difference. The next generation of them is already being picked by the current one. It would take some nuclear accident or gene therapy to engineer bigger cunts than we already have.

To be fair it would take something special indeed

Hey isn't it grand the way the immigration policy discussion has gotten rid of the what's a woman argument for now and all the elements of that which were making people upset have disappeared while at the same time still going as strong as ever. I wonder what we'll get into after this one..

Stay tuned for more socially acceptable and socially unacceptable hijinks

Grand the way the turkey and Syria flags have replaced the Ukraine ones this week.

Very bad the things that have happened to make that so

A pro economic migrant protester drove into a crowd of anti economic protesters last night in Dublin.

Quote from: mickO))) on February 16, 2023, 12:54:06 PMA pro economic migrant protester drove into a crowd of anti economic protesters last night in Dublin.

Saw that alright. Is there any report that says it was a pro economic migrant supporter. Not saying they aren't, just haven't seen that reported.

It'll take some time to clear up I'd say. Certainly not beyond some of the nutbars who proclaim themselves to be Antifa. But could also have been a local who doesn't give a shit either way but wants the protests and related disturbance of normal life to end. Or it could be a black flag operation  ??? Hey, someone would be saying it if the political alignments of the story were switched  :laugh: