The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Carnage]

My take on it is that, regardless of whether you buy into the gender politics or 'wokeness' of it or not, if someone is going through that transition - the surgery, hormone treatment, cosmetic changes, psychological effects, social ostracism etc. - I'm not going to make their life any harder by insisting they're something they feel they aren't and are taking such drastic steps in that regard.

That being said, adolescents going through it isn't ideal, it's not something they're physically or mentally equipped to deal with as a child - despite the best intentions of their parents and/or relevant medical professionals.

All IMO of course, admittedly I'm not familiar with it all to have an informed opinion.

[pete]

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teacher-enoch-burke-spent-his-first-night-in-custody-isolated-from-general-prison-population-41960828.html

He's done a great job making people think he is in trouble for not calling a boy a girl. Genius.

He'll be on joe rogan when he gets out.

"Wow, it's crazy out there".

[astfgyl]

I wouldn't take those steps either but Burke is insisting that it's his religious beliefs, so what are we to do about that?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teacher-enoch-burke-spent-his-first-night-in-custody-isolated-from-general-prison-population-41960828.html

He's done a great job making people think he is in trouble for not calling a boy a girl. Genius.

He'll be on joe rogan when he gets out.

"Wow, it's crazy out there".

I think we all know that's not why he's in jail.

[ochoill]

I think we all know that's not why he's in jail.

He doesn't.  And fuck him in any case, a known spastic being a bewildering shitehawk and the country turns it into a fuckin gender debate again.  Withering shit.  Very fuckin simply it is easy to not purposefully alienate anyone who is trans by accepting them and helping them if you can - sure as fuck I don't know what it feels like to be that way but I have no interest in knowing, just making sure they have it alright and can get on with life so we aren't all so bastarding distracted by a news cycle filled with pathetic cunts like himself, who have absolutely no truck in it one way or another but want to be seen, and insert themselves into this "argument" one way or another to do so.  If he was as good a Catholic as he lets on he'd live and let live but he instead would rather use it to position himself as greater than someone else.  We are all equally shit.  He would look down on all of us for less reasons than he looks down on the kids he is meant to care for in his role.  Fuck it this is dense

[astfgyl]

He knows well why he's in jail. He's attempting to martyr himself.

The debate as I see it is, is his right to not be discriminated because of his religious beliefs diminished by the kid's right not to be discriminated against for their sexuality? Nobody wants to touch that question, but as the shepherd pointed out, both rights are equal. That Burke is a bigot/spa doesn't answer the question. Try not to get so upset by discussions on the discussion forum, nobody is defending Burke.

Also, I wonder what we're missing from the news with all this furore.

[pete]

He knows well why he's in jail. He's attempting to martyr himself.

The debate as I see it is, is his right to not be discriminated because of his religious beliefs diminished by the kid's right not to be discriminated against for their sexuality? Nobody wants to touch that question, but as the shepherd pointed out, both rights are equal. That Burke is a bigot/spa doesn't answer the question. Try not to get so upset by discussions on the discussion forum, nobody is defending Burke.

Also, I wonder what we're missing from the news with all this furore.

When was he discriminated for his religious beliefs?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Which rights did I say were equal? In any case, his rights haven't been infringed upon at all and he hasn't been discriminated against. If he didn't want to work for a school who had decided it was going to uphold the Equal Status Act, then it was up to him to quit.

[ochoill]

He knows well why he's in jail. He's attempting to martyr himself.

The debate as I see it is, is his right to not be discriminated because of his religious beliefs diminished by the kid's right not to be discriminated against for their sexuality? Nobody wants to touch that question, but as the shepherd pointed out, both rights are equal. That Burke is a bigot/spa doesn't answer the question. Try not to get so upset by discussions on the discussion forum, nobody is defending Burke.

Also, I wonder what we're missing from the news with all this furore.

He isn't being discriminated for his beliefs though, he's being discriminated for his rotten form, if he gave a shit about it for any decent reason he wouldn't behave how he does.  Not just in this case either as has been pointed out.  So no, he is a fuckin terrible example for the point you're trying to make because if you were suffering and he had the option to ease it he would choose to make it worse.  Religion is a shield for him, not a system.  In any reasonable example then yes, they both, as with every human, has a right to not be discriminated against but he has proven himself to be unreasonable, so he can suffer his own fate and call it discrimination all he wants.  He foisted himself into this position and centred an argument around him, victimising himself, to absolutely no end.  Leave him off.

Imagine being the kid here and having your existence, yet again, become a matter of debate for people who have absolutely no fuckin interest, gain, or idea how it actually is to live life as a trans person.  Imagine that this happens to trans people regularly, your life as a thought experiment for internet moralists.  Batshit and horrible, constant bad vibes.  No none of that thanks, just let them get on with it and do our best to work a system that suits us all.

Instead we have the state of internet media posting about this, constantly, drumming up a divide in ourselves amongst people no different to us.  It's easier sell articles of fear if we all hate each other, right?  And that's all the division and argument is about, selling articles, selling clicks, milking us for money through our time and horror, through bullshit like this coated with ads, until we all go into the same earth anyway.

Ah fuck it I'm wound up now. I tried several times not to post on this

[astfgyl]

You know well I'd live and let live but it's turned into a discussion now for better or worse. What if someone was really nice about not using the pronouns and apologetic but still wouldn't do it because it's against their beliefs or whatever. The same shite will come up again and again. You're saying imagine the pain of being trans but no-one wants to think of the pain of being Enoch Burke.

[John Kimble]

I don't always agree with BSC but, yeah, the lad is free to seek employment with another educational establishment more in tune with his own religious ethos. Fuck him, and his family for that matter. They sound like a right shower of doses.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40955927.html

[astfgyl]

Getting away from the question though. It shouldn't matter that he and his family are knobs.

[ochoill]

no-one wants to think of the pain of being Enoch Burke.

I know full well you were laughing typing that out fuckin lol

[John Kimble]

You're saying imagine the pain of being trans but no-one wants to think of the pain of being Enoch Burke.

Enoch can have his day in court if he so wishes. That hasn't been denied. He's in jail because he defied the terms of an injunction.

[pete]

Getting away from the question though. It shouldn't matter that he and his family are knobs.

I don't think I understand your question though?

At what stage do you think he was discriminated against?

(Also I didn't know what thread to put the Justin article in, what a legend, but thought you might like it https://www.loudersound.com/features/godfleshs-justin-broadrick-my-life-in-10-songs)

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Imagine that this happens to trans people regularly, your life as a thought experiment for internet moralists.  Batshit and horrible, constant bad vibes.

Exactly     

Which is why the whataboutery isn't harmless at all; it diminishes the struggle of that very real, not hypothetical, trans kid who has to deal, not only with this one bible bashing prick, but also with all the other mooks salivating at their keyboards waiting to get their oar in on it too.