The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[91/30]

Fair fucks to the bible bashing nutter standing up to the mentally handicapped transgender bullshitters.  Only old DSM is trve kvlt, modern DSM is for wimps & pussys

[pete]

https://www.thejournal.ie/high-court-injunction-teacher-westmeath-pronouns-5853324-Aug2022/

I fully understand that he's not in jail for refusing to use someone's pronouns. I do think that story backs up my thoughts on it rather than refutes them though. I thought he was suspended for his stance on the student's self identity.

What I take from that article is that he was suspended for his conduct outlined here.

"The school claims that last June a service and dinner was held to mark the school's 260th anniversary It was attended by clergy, staff, past and present pupils, parents, and board members.

It is claimed that Mr Burke interrupted the service and said that the school's principal, Ms Niamh McShane, should withdraw the earlier demand regarding the transitioning of the student, that he could not agree with transgenderism, and said it went against the school's ethos and the teaching of the Church of Ireland.

The school claims that after he spoke members of the congregation and students walked out of the school chapel.

It is claimed that at the follow-up dinner Mr Burke did not sit at any table.

After the meal he is alleged to have approached the Principal, and again asked her to withdraw the request regarding the student.

The school claims that she said she would speak to Mr Burke at a appropriate time and place, and walked away from him.

It is claimed that he continued to follow her and questioned her loudly.

Other people stood between them to prevent the continuation of his questioning; it is further claimed."

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

So you believe something different to what he believes?

Well done, burn the witch so good man yourself

Beautiful irony. We have things like freedom of expression, imperfect as it may be in practice, because Enlightenment thinking helped drag us past literal witch burners like Enoch Burke's spiritual ancestors, people who, like him, thought they had a direct line to God and knew who was going to hell anyway and should therefore be dispensed with before they infected others with the devil's influence. And it's that same post-Enlightenment thinking that he's refusing to respect now; social contract, individual rights, 'I am free to act as I wish within my sphere, limited only by the spheres of action of the other free individuals I live in society with', etc., etc. Always a minefield to navigate in practice, but a hell of a lot better than, "I will obey God not man!", especially when "obeying God" isn't even limited by actual scripture, just whatever mad shit pops into your head.

[astfgyl]

So you believe something different to him then? It's all a matter of belief

Pete, that's a bit more detailed but still comes down to the same issue. Nobody is defending his behaviour. He has obviously acted terribly and entirely has himself where he is.

[pete]

So you believe something different to him then? It's all a matter of belief

Pete, that's a bit more detailed but still comes down to the same issue. Nobody is defending his behaviour. He has obviously acted terribly and entirely has himself where he is.

Do we agree he was not suspended for his beliefs so?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

So you believe something different to him then? It's all a matter of belief

No, it's not all a matter of belief. It's a matter of how one acts on belief. Two different things.

[astfgyl]

So you believe something different to him then? It's all a matter of belief

Pete, that's a bit more detailed but still comes down to the same issue. Nobody is defending his behaviour. He has obviously acted terribly and entirely has himself where he is.

Do we agree he was not suspended for his beliefs so?

No that's word games. Do we agree he wouldn't be suspended if he didn't hold those beliefs?

So you believe something different to him then? It's all a matter of belief

No, it's not all a matter of belief. It's a matter of how one acts on belief. Two different things.

Perhaps he believes that's how he should act on his beliefs. People believe different things and it makes them act different to others.

[pete]

It wasn't meant to be word games. I was just looking for clarity.

You agreed he was not jailed for his beliefs. Not a word game.

I was wondering did you agree with my belief that he also was not suspended because of beliefs and instead because of how he acted at the anniversary dinner. To which he was invited and not under any suspension. And presumably held those beliefs before the dinner.

So we just disagree on that. Fair enough.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

In society, the rules of society trump personal beliefs. Don't like it? Opt out of society.

[astfgyl]

Should have said that to the homosexuals when they were outlawed. That's a thin argument.

[ochoill]

These goalposts are rocketing around at the speed of light here

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Should have said that to the homosexuals when they were outlawed. That's a thin argument.

Laws against homosexuality contravened the fundamental outlines of Enlightenment thinking. That fact is exactly how they were finally erased despite extreme opposition. It's not a thin argument. It is the argument that has been advanced for centuries now as a path, albeit a meandering and not always clearly marked one, towards separating modern society from medieval society.

[astfgyl]

It wasn't meant to be word games. I was just looking for clarity.

You agreed he was not jailed for his beliefs. Not a word game.

I was wondering did you agree with my belief that he also was not suspended because of beliefs and instead because of how he acted at the anniversary dinner. To which he was invited and not under any suspension. And presumably held those beliefs before the dinner.

So we just disagree on that. Fair enough.

More will probably come out. I'm not sure of the beginnings of it at all. Perhaps I'll come to agree with you but tbh I'm bored of his story already and even losing interest in the wider discussion I was attempting to bring into it. Might move on to electricity bills or something

[astfgyl]

Should have said that to the homosexuals when they were outlawed. That's a thin argument.

Laws against homosexuality contravened the fundamental outlines of Enlightenment thinking. That fact is exactly how they were finally erased despite extreme opposition. It's not a thin argument. It is the argument that has been advanced for centuries now as a path, albeit a meandering and not always clearly marked one, towards separating modern society from medieval society.

Enlightenment thinking would involve looking at both sides of a discussion though, as you've avoided doing several times over the last few posts when I repeatedly asked the same questions. It's easy to invoke enlightenment when you consider yourself enlightened.

[astfgyl]

These goalposts are rocketing around at the speed of light here

What was between the posts to start with, Burke is a knob or such like or we don't agree with him? Not much discussion in that