A band I mistakenly lumped in with the 'NU metal' scene all those years ago but they were clearly apart. Listened to 'White Pony' today for the first time in years and I don't think they ever topped it personally. What are your favourite Deftones albums ? Never saw them in concert so don't know how they are live.
I love Deftones. Best album for me is the self titled, but White Pony gives it a run for its money. Self titled is just so heavy and so miserable and it is a real grower.
I love the self titled too but 'Elite' and 'Korea' off 'White Pony' are just amazing. Honorable mention to 'Be Quiet and Drive' from 'Around the Fur' also.
Saw them in the Ambassador back in 2006 and they were class.
Great last year as well, probably improved vocal wise too despite being 11 years later. They started off the set with Korea onto Elite ;)
Last album 'Gore' the quality dipped for me. Diamond Eyes and Saturday Night Wrist are definitely up there with White Pony & Self Titled. First 2 albums have their moments but more part of the nu metal tag they had in the 90s.
Love them. Would consider White Pony, Diamond Eyes, and the self titled to be essential. Barely a bad track between them, absolutely savage albums. Very fond of all the rest of their stuff too but find Saturday Night Wrist and Adrenaline to be their weakest - excluding the b-sides album. Not that they're bad mind, just lowest on my list for them.
Seen then on the Gore and Diamond Eyes tours and thought they were savage both times. Heard mixed reports of other gigs but wouldn't pass up an opportunity to see them in Ireland at least.
Don't think they've ever dropped an out and out clanger but Adrenaline is the one I play least these days. Aged pretty badly. Managed to see them on the Around The Fur Tour in the SFX, amazing gig.
Yeah that gig was beast. Love them overall but the last one is a bit of a stinker
Will never get sick of Deftones. Last album had some filler but some great tracks too. I actually wished they played some more of the newer cuts at their last gig here. White Pony was a very formative album for me in my teens. Change (In The House of Flies) is so deliciously dreary. Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan are beasts too out of the newer ones.
Was at the SFX back in the day and at the Ambassador gig as well. Both great nights but I nearly ruined the Ambassador gig for myself smoking the Spice right before it. That stuff is rotten. Did any of ye listen to the Team Sleep Woodstock Sessions?
I have high hopes for the follow up to Gore as from what I see, fan reaction is divisive at best and the band themselves don't seem delighted with it. They aren't really playing anything off it live lately. I saw a comment on another forum which said "it's too Chino", which pretty fairly sums it up. He has said himself he wants to go back to the basic idea of a Deftones album where himself and Stephen do the songwriting together from the beginning.
Brilliant band, and not a dud in the back catalogue.
That being said, the first time I saw the back to school video my jaw dropped at that absolute dogshit of a track. The auld lad was in the room and couldn't hide his glee at my incredulity, 'jaysus that's a song and a half lad' :D
Savage band. Mad into them as a young fella and saw them at reading 2000 on the white pony tour. Just lethal live. Love everything up to white pony. Koi Yokan is a beast of an album. The ones between pony and koi are good but not on the same level. Latest I do not like at all.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 26, 2018, 07:08:42 PM
Brilliant band, and not a dud in the back catalogue.
That being said, the first time I saw the back to school video my jaw dropped at that absolute dogshit of a track. The auld lad was in the room and couldn't hide his glee at my incredulity, 'jaysus that's a song and a half lad' :D
Yeah it is a fair shit song but I've recently begun to think of it as a sort of parody of Nu Metal. Sort of a case of "we can make this shite in our sleep, back to school with ye".
But it is still shit.
I think that was the idea. They were asked for a hit and they delivered white pony. I recall Chino mentioning they did it to prove to the label how easy it is then got back to business
I don't get the buzz with them at all. I really liked Adrenaline when it came out but I found the direction they went in on Around the Fur to be a bit disappointing. A few good songs but it seemed to lack the energy and rawness of the debut. Saw them in the SFX and it was fun but not amazing by any stretch, compared to other gigs from that era (Machine Head and Type O spring to mind). I picked up White Pony after reading a glowing review of it in Terrorizer- I'd since started getting more interested in underground stuff and was really surprised to see them in that mag. I expected to be really impressed but found the album quite dull and one dimensional. The odd song I have listened to here and there since then have all been in the same Around the Fur bland mould. It baffles me why people find them so exciting. It sounds like they have been sticking rigidly to a safe formula for most of their career.
Categorically disagree. Largely been a different vibe between records, off the top of my head Diamond Eyes even sonically speaking sounds different with the use of 8 string guitars etc.
Don't get the one dimensional criticism of White Pony either, fair enough not liking it but the breath of influence has perhaps not been rivaled since on any Deftones album, there's a few tracks like Elite that stick to the template but I hear the Cure, Depeche Mode, Tool In there, Trip Hop etc etc. Vocally and lyrically presented with many styles themes too.
Dunno. It all sounded like a beige pony to me .
The world disagrees with you. ;)
Not for the first (nor last) time.
Adrenaline is dated, terrible sounding album, went through a tumble dryer in the mastering process perhaps. Caught them 4-5 times live, always deliver. Cunningham is an exceptional drummer.
Quote from: Sugarlumps on November 28, 2018, 08:20:09 AM
Adrenaline is dated, terrible sounding album, went through a tumble dryer in the mastering process perhaps. Caught them 4-5 times live, always deliver. Cunningham is an exceptional drummer.
Adrenaline sounds like a nu-metal album. I'm not so sure it's an issue with the mastering, more that the song writing wasn't up to par. Apart from that, they have a very impressive back catalogue. Last one didn't blow me away mind, but far from a dud.
Only recently have begun to appreciate 'Diamond Eyes'. Great album altogether.
Got into them just before around the fur came out. Adrenaline sounds so 'tinny' now but has a few decent song on it. Around the fur still great. White Pony was and is still a great album and progression. I kinda dropped off when the self titled came out as I was listening to more death metal (and had 2 stay troo!) Honestly never really bothered checking out saturday/diamond.
Thought I'd give Koi No Yokan a shot and was blown away by it. I honestly think it's their best since white pony and still is. Not overly gone on gore at all.
Around the fur, White Pony still get regular play but Koi No Yokan just hit the nail on the head for me.
Also that last gig they played in Dublin was immense. Not seem them live in years and they knocked it out of the park with that performance.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 28, 2018, 07:02:31 AM
Dunno. It all sounded like a beige pony to me .
Try the self titled 4th album, it is miserable as fuck and a hard listen at first. Very little in the way of obvious hooks or catchy things and sort of atonal a lot of the time. Worth the admission price just for Anniversary of an Uninteresting Event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8YvS4w7eo4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8YvS4w7eo4)
Also don't get the shit thrown at Adrenaline. I love it. The energy on that would come through any production.
I was at the last dublin gig. They put on an awesome live show. I never really got into them until I head Diamond Eyes and then I developed an appreciation for the back catalog. Back to School is sort of a cringey nostalgia trip.
Same as one or two others. Got into them around Adrenaline. When White Pony came out it was a bit too different initially but I've come around. Switched off em around then til that second last one, which is just unbelievable. Let down again then with Gore. Apart from Minerva, haven't really gone to the effort of exploring that middle period.
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 05, 2018, 01:18:45 PM
Same as one or two others. Got into them around Adrenaline. When White Pony came out it was a bit too different initially but I've come around. Switched off em around then til that second last one, which is just unbelievable. Let down again then with Gore. Apart from Minerva, haven't really gone to the effort of exploring that middle period.
You could do a lot worse than giving the self titled a go
https://www.overdrive.ie/deftones-hint-follow-up-to-gore-will-be-released-in-2019/?fbclid=IwAR1Ym6DVcUOSchIm0noKRZ9o93dMEIoNFDPr0GTy5VFBABmNHETNRP2np84 (https://www.overdrive.ie/deftones-hint-follow-up-to-gore-will-be-released-in-2019/?fbclid=IwAR1Ym6DVcUOSchIm0noKRZ9o93dMEIoNFDPr0GTy5VFBABmNHETNRP2np84)
Just saw this on FB. Its like they heard us talking about them.
Quote from: liamish on December 06, 2018, 10:49:17 AM
https://www.overdrive.ie/deftones-hint-follow-up-to-gore-will-be-released-in-2019/?fbclid=IwAR1Ym6DVcUOSchIm0noKRZ9o93dMEIoNFDPr0GTy5VFBABmNHETNRP2np84 (https://www.overdrive.ie/deftones-hint-follow-up-to-gore-will-be-released-in-2019/?fbclid=IwAR1Ym6DVcUOSchIm0noKRZ9o93dMEIoNFDPr0GTy5VFBABmNHETNRP2np84)
Just saw this on FB. Its like they heard us talking about them.
Hopefully it's a step up from Gore. I was adamant at the time that it was great but it didn't last the test of time at all. Few good tracks but overall a weak album for them. At the same time I don't want Diamond Eyes or Koi No Yokan ver.2.0, I think they're at their best when experimenting but would enjoy seeing more written by Carpenter if he was the missing part on Gore but prominent on those.
LMIRL and Doomed User are fantastic and 3 or 4 others are in the very good bracket but overall it is a bit Sol Invictus as in you would expect better from them
Loved them years ago but never caught them live at the time, saw youtube live videos and they sounded weak especially the vocals. But finally caught them live at Hellfest about two years ago and they blew me away, the gig in vicar street last year was unreal they sounded so good and heavy and chinos voice and energy levels were immense, like everyone here said Gore was a disappointment after Koi No Yokan but look forward to what they have to offer on the new one in 2019.
Bit of a Deftones/Type O Negative parallel I was thinking of....
Deftones self titled is to White Pony as World Coming Down is to October Rust.
And I had that thought from thinking that Team Sleep Woodstock Sessions is to Team Sleep album as Origin of the Feces is to Slow, Deep and Hard.
Just hoping they release Eros in full at some stage. The 2 songs released to date from it are incredible...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rETGJHkZyhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpfu3NfKNHA
Saw these at the SFX in 98 with One Minute Silence supporting and it was mental. Bouncers didn't give a shite so everyone just crowd surfed and stage dived all night. That off-license across the road would serve anyone too
Speaking of which, Chino broke some lads shoulder at that show. MCD had to cough up a few sheckles later on!
Anyone at the Limelight show?
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on December 15, 2018, 02:46:45 AM
Speaking of which, Chino broke some lads shoulder at that show. MCD had to cough up a few sheckles later on!
Anyone at the Limelight show?
Yeah can remember Chino doing a high dive off a stack during 7 Words. Not surprised someone was caught unawares
I used to know the very fella. He got 30 grand out of it. And he was in no way caught unawares, he had his hands up to catch Chino while chanting "Jump Jump Jump"
Quote from: astfgyl on December 15, 2018, 03:59:11 PM
I used to know the very fella. He got 30 grand out of it. And he was in no way caught unawares, he had his hands up to catch Chino while chanting "Jump Jump Jump"
The jammy bastard.
New tune out from these today too..busy day for new metal! Funnily enough was talking to Matt about them,particularly "ATF" last night.
Not particularly impressed by this new track tbh.
White Pony a pure classic. Liked Diamond Eyes too, some great tracks on it.
New tune is cool. Different, but cool.
Chino is a one of a kind vocalist. New track is awesome.
Not mad on the new track, kinda boring? Feels like a b-side off the self-titled. Would much prefer to hear the shelved Eros at this stage.
Like Neurosis,Deftones are a band i never got,most definitely did lump them (Deftones) in with the Nu metal crew.
Adrenaline and Around The Fur were OK, but after that they became a very tedious band, the Coldplay of metal.
That's a hot, hot take for sure, especially as White Pony is included in their "Coldplay" material.
White Pony has to be one of the most overrated piles of shite I've ever heard. I loved Adrenaline at the time. I found Around the Fur disappointing and kind of bland, with some catchy parts and anything else I listened to by them was bland. The Coldplay of metal sounds about right to me.
All that said, I listened to Smile today and thought it was cool, despite being a bit long and samey by the end. The new song was grand. Dunno if I'd last a full album of any of that stuff, though.
Jaysus, White Pony is a modern classic. Their four best songs are all in a row on it too.
Adrenaline is the sound of a band finding their feet - not bad but ultimately pretty amateurish.
Adrenaline is good but ya, a band finding their feet. I loved AtF, still think it's great but I don't throw it on much. It seems I'm still probably in the minority in that I'm not a huge White Pony fan. I think this was them again finding their feet going down a more experimental route. I think Koi No Yokan is their best album.
Koi No Yokan would be my second favourite after WP, great album.
I'm a casual enough Deftones fan but Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan are the ones I've listened to most too.
Yeah, I found White Pony as dull as dishwater, and everything I've heard since has been a turgid copy of the same.
Self-Titled is their best. Didn't know there was a new song must get a listen
Edit: Listened to it there and first impression was I liked it. Great to have a new album coming from these lads, although Gore didn't hold up too well for me despite my thinking it was brilliant at first.
I love the self titled, Saturday night wrist and Diamond Eyes. The last 2 haven't been that great. White pony is a bit mediocre.
White Pony is great, my favourite by them, I love the majority of their stuff and rate them highly as a band, but yeah I can see why lads don't like WP. I don't agree mind, but it's definitely polarising, something I didn't really cop to for a long time - I'd assumed it was just generally accepted by all Deftones fans to rank highly at least.
Yeah I'm surprised by the negative opinion for WP.
My four favourite songs by then are all on it (specifically the last four on it).
Last song on it is brilliant. Pink Maggit I mean. I have the red version with The Boys Republic on it for a finish. That's another decent tune while we're here
Have the newest track, Genesis, on here.
Very Koi No Yokan sounding stuff. Nothing too amazing or breaking new ground for them, but not too shabby either. I take it as a good sign and I hope the album is a slow grower like the self titled and Saturday Night Wrist.
https://youtu.be/64CmLF8Kkd0
Saw them in 2011 at the tail end of the Diamond Eyes cycle. Discovered them via that album and I never tired of it. White Pony, for me, didn't measure up to the clattering changes and lush vistas on Diamond Eyes. Looking forward to what they come up with post-Gore.
Quote from: Gmajor1991 on September 21, 2020, 10:12:17 PM
https://youtu.be/64CmLF8Kkd0
Saw them in 2011 at the tail end of the Diamond Eyes cycle. Discovered them via that album and I never tired of it. White Pony, for me, didn't measure up to the clattering changes and lush vistas on Diamond Eyes. Looking forward to what they come up with post-Gore.
Dat's sum avatar lawd....
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Didn't know there was a Rangers-2012 supporters club in South Dublin..?
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 22, 2020, 12:40:41 PM
Didn't know there was a Rangers-2012 supporters club in South Dublin..?
There are supporters' clubs all over this island, including in Dublin.
Anyhow, NME seem to have given Ohms a glowing review. Be interesting to hear what Dom Lawson thinks; always really liked his style of commentary in Metal Hammer.
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Here lawd, I was having a go. Keep the avatar pal... :laugh:
Somebody has to like shit football... :laugh:
Still not convinced by those 2 new songs...reckon the album will be better than Gore but that should be an easy enough feat..
The album is floating around the web since this morning. About to have a listen now. Yeah it won't take much to top Gore with its' 3 good songs
Well I listened to it all. It's.... ok I suppose. Bit of a Gore part 2 with some of the previous 2 albums sprinkled in. No surprises whatsoever anywhere on it.
Tried it again there this evening and it is definitely better than Gore but around the same as the 2 previous as in it goes in the good but not spectacular camp. It isn't up to the quality of the self-titled but if it's held up to Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan it's the same level stuff
Listening to 'Ohms' a bit more now, great to have more Deftones music but this seems more on the shoegaze tip. Want those brutal sounding riffs but alas. Anyhow, let's see if it'll grow on me. 'Diamond Eyes' had the melancholy but also that ripping production when the riffs come in, this ..not so much, it's a bit 'lite'. First impressions.
Enjoying it a lot more than the last two. I like that shoegazey side more tho...I think the balance is perfect between that and the heavier bits. The run from"Urantia" to "Pompeij" is my favourite currently .
Considerably better than "Gore". The production is quite light though.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on September 25, 2020, 06:53:33 PM
Enjoying it a lot more than the last two. I like that shoegazey side more tho...I think the balance is perfect between that and the heavier bits. The run from"Urantia" to "Pompeij" is my favourite currently .
Considerably better than "Gore". The production is quite light though.
This is my line of thinking too so far after a few listens, I'd personally extend that run to "This Link Is Dead". Still think the two singles are not up to much..but the last song Ohms fits more into the album context but it doesn't start or end strong. Overall there isn't actually much on the guitar side in terms of memorable riffs, just more of an extension built into the shoegazey/expansive sound. Much much better than Gore.
I feel like putting it on again which is a good sign. There are a few token riffs in there but it certainly isn't the main takeaway from the album. It's very Chino is my early impression
Big Deftones fan here, and have listened to this a couple of times now...
New album is good, but no where near their best.
For me its missing that perfect mix of melancholy and crushing aggression mated to grande soundscapes, and yes there are some elements of it here and there.
Diamond Eyes and KNY are up there among their best, but this is lacking, and not as good as Gore IMO.
And as said above, the production is very disappointing. The drums sound weak and i'm not a fan of the guitar tone, which is a far cry when compared to Diamond Eyes.
There are some strange chord arrangements and progressions also which dont sound very Deftones'y to me lol, such as the into to Urantia and Radiant City, and the outro to Error
Highlights on it for me are Genesis, Ceremony, The Spell of Mathematics, Headless and Ohms
Could be more of a grower in time (snigger), but those are my initial impressions
:D
I'm liking it more each time I hear it. It takes a few goes to get into it for sure though. Current opinion is that it sound somewhere in between Deftones type 1 and 2 so a nice happy medium for me being more of a first era fan
Going back repeatedly over the last week, and enjoying it a whole lot more than anything they've done since "Saturday Night Wrist" to be honest. It's a great album. It's direct, it's catchy and while it has absolutely no surprises or anything new, it just feels like like they've focused in on writing really good songs. Riddled with hooks it is. I find If i put it on I'l l generally play it twice in a row. Wasn't mad about the title track but it's grown on me - that opening riff is 100% Torche
Listening back to "Gore" currently. It really is a piss poor effort compared to the rest of their discography
Quote from: Pentagrimes on October 01, 2020, 01:30:24 PM
Going back repeatedly over the last week, and enjoying it a whole lot more than anything they've done since "Saturday Night Wrist" to be honest. It's a great album. It's direct, it's catchy and while it has absolutely no surprises or anything new, it just feels like like they've focused in on writing really good songs. Riddled with hooks it is. I find If i put it on I'l l generally play it twice in a row. Wasn't mad about the title track but it's grown on me - that opening riff is 100% Torche
Listening back to "Gore" currently. It really is a piss poor effort compared to the rest of their discography
I'm the same. Going back to it about twice a day and really getting more and more into it. I don't think there is a bad track on it. Even the singles which I thought were boring in the first place are as good as any of it.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on October 01, 2020, 01:30:24 PM
Going back repeatedly over the last week, and enjoying it a whole lot more than anything they've done since "Saturday Night Wrist" to be honest. It's a great album. It's direct, it's catchy and while it has absolutely no surprises or anything new, it just feels like like they've focused in on writing really good songs. Riddled with hooks it is. I find If i put it on I'l l generally play it twice in a row. Wasn't mad about the title track but it's grown on me - that opening riff is 100% Torche
Listening back to "Gore" currently. It really is a piss poor effort compared to the rest of their discography
Had it on the other day and I thought Spotify had just put on a Torche song!
I'm really enjoying it now, been listening all week. So catchy.
I think Terry Date is the man when it comes to bringing the best out of Deftones. Surely it's no coincidence that they find themselves back in form like this with him back in the fold..
Date announced for the 03 next summer I see
With Gojira as a support. Would they fill that venue I wonder. Vicar st was brilliant the last time.
I'll head to it anyway, enjoyed them the last few times I caught them.
Only actually listened to the new album the whole way through this morning, enjoyed it a lot. Will see how it holds up.
They'd probably get the kind of turnout that Ghost did.
Zero interest in Deftones,but would like to see Gojira,3 Arena does seem way to big for this.
I'll get a ticket and hope for the best anyway. Seems like a risk worth taking. I'd be very surprised if they even half fill the place though
I'd see them outselling Ghost tbh. Deftones still have pull with various demographics. Sell out? Stranger things have happened.
Maybe the element of starvation for gigs will give it a push, but I've heard a few saying they won't bother buying tickets until they see how things pan out.
Raging I missed them last time so a definite for me.
Quote from: Blackout on October 11, 2020, 08:51:19 PM
Raging I missed them last time so a definite for me.
I'm 100 percent going. Had tix for the last one but the Grandmother's funeral was the same day so I left it off. Heard it was decent, too
Tickets for Deftones and Gojira went on sale this morning. I think it will be wise to wait with parting with my €75 till closer to next June anyway.
The 3 Arena holds over 13,000 so I doubt this would be anywhere near a sell out.
How many were at Ghost, does anyone know?
Got my ticket anyway. If covid fully lifts by march/April you can bet this will sell out for the novelty of going to a proper gig with the shackles off.
Remember reading on boards.ie estimates of between six and seven thousand. Hoping to hit this and Nightwish in Wembley provided the situation has drastically improved by then.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on October 14, 2020, 07:29:21 PM
Tickets for Deftones and Gojira went on sale this morning. I think it will be wise to wait with parting with my €75 till closer to next June anyway.
The 3 Arena holds over 13,000 so I doubt this would be anywhere near a sell out.
How many were at Ghost, does anyone know?
https://www.nme.com/news/music/deftones-tease-arrival-of-white-pony-remix-album-black-stallion-2802889
https://mobile.twitter.com/casinog71/status/1202514227992449024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1202514227992449024%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Floudwire.com%2Fdeftones-around-the-fur-cover-model%2F
I'm not normally a fan of remix albums but that roster is pretty damn good - Robert Smith, Squarepusher, Clams Casino, Blanck Mass, DJ Shadow - I can see all of those guys being a good fit for remixing Deftones music for sure, and I reckon those songs lend themselves to be reimagined quite well.
Deftones - Passenger (Mike Shinoda Remix)
https://youtu.be/6e--8XuvdiU
That's actually very cool. Maynard's voice makes everything cool, apart from a significant amount of Tool's output.