What a stunning performance of a band at the absolute peak of their power. When I was a massively obsessed Metallica fan in the early nineties I never saw this footage. Where/how was it originally released? I stopped listening to Metallica for years as I was delving into other areas of metal but have come back to them in the last decade or so and have only become familiar with this footage in recent years. I keep coming back to it with a few tins on the weekends. What an utterly ruthless set. I think if I'd seen them in 90/91/92 at the height of my obsession my head would have exploded.
It was in the Live Shit boxset, think that came out around 92/3?
YouTube saves the day! It's mad, I'm too old for hero worship but watching this gives me vivid memories of my complete and utter adulation. These people were my gods! I wonder are there bands out there any more who young lads regard as being larger than life or has the internet ruined that.
'Live Shit: Binge and Purge'
This was a staple diet for me back in the mists of time. A mate had the videos and it was the Seattle show that always stood out. Another one I remember watching constantly was a show recorded for BBC television, also 'And Justice..' era. A personal highlight from the Seattle show for me is a short moment after Jason's bass solo (I think ) where they start playing a part of 'To live is to die', really atmospheric.
Jason's bass solo on here now, coincidentally...
Would have killed to see them live around then. An absolute force, and I don't think any metal band has ever matched how good they were back then, most notably, themselves. Peak band at peak powers. Untouchable, really.
Hot Tub Time Machine fire Christmas, wha!
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 16, 2019, 10:39:05 PM
Hot Tub Time Machine fire Christmas, wha!
Because that sounds only semi-gay, fuck ya!!
Sure I'm on a semi just thinking about it.
Phenomenal performance. Also worth looking up on youtube is Canada 1986 (with Newsted) . It was late 86 and they were FERAL. Their encore of Fight Fire With Fire and Blitzkrieg is just otherworldly.
It's a great gig!!! Whiplash is insane on it!!! I wore Live Shit Binge and Purge out back in the day along with Slayers Live Intrusion and Sepultura Live in Barcelona. That Seps gig from Barcelona is amazing!!!
Yeah the Seps one in Barcelon is incredible!,i was an absolute Metallica fanatic for the first few years of my metal life.Only saw them the once on the load tour in the Point.,it was brilliant but no Seattle!
I've got the box set and must've returned to the Seattle show 20 times since I got it. By contrast, I can't watch the other set, San Diego is it? On the black album tour. Musically solid but heading into the Metallica Family pantomime shit that's completely absent from Seattle.
They were the greatest metal band ever. That's not to say others aren't amazing, it's saying at that time, Metallica were stratospherically fucking good. There's a great interview on youtube, Billy Corgan telling Lars about seeing them on the Ride the Lightning tour and that the roof nearly came off the place, it was so intense. Goosebump stuff.
Yeah at their peak they were untouchable,i still remember the day i first heard them.I was about 11,a guy in school had Master of puppets in his walkman,my jaw hit the floor,that was introduction to metal,hooked for life!.
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on March 17, 2019, 07:54:34 PM
I've got the box set and must've returned to the Seattle show 20 times since I got it. By contrast, I can't watch the other set, San Diego is it? On the black album tour. Musically solid but heading into the Metallica Family pantomime shit that's completely absent from Seattle.
I liked the San Diego one and would still throw it on ocassionaly but it's definitely missing the ferocity of Seattle. A lot more polished and professional, crazy that they're only about three years part
People act like Metallica are where they are because they 'sold out' but they fact is that when they were in their prime they really were just on another level.
The ambitiousness of their songwriting, their ability to craft a great album and of course their live performances just set them apart from the rest of the Thrash pack.
They were arguably too good to be called Thrash Metal.
I love Bonded by Blood for example, but can you really listen it and Master of Puppets and say they're in the same ballpark?
Different kettle of fish, to be sure. Whatever about selling out it's clear that they have forgotten the art of songwriting since then.
True.
They've been doing the copying and pasting riffs thing since St. Anger.
Say what you will about the stylistic changes on Load, they were at least writing cohesive songs.
Great point about being too good for Thrash. Time tells all and the wheat is sorted from the chaff eventually. Many great artists and writers were never recognised, or were under appreaciated during their lifetimes. Metallica were part of the creation of a genre and then went on to transcend that genre. Their ambition, however you may view the Black album, was massive. They took a style and developed it as far as they could, to its very limit...spending an ungodly amount of time in the studio..how many guitar tracks did Hetfield have on some songs...40 or 50. They flew in the face of convention, pissed off and lost lots of fans in the process, but they weren't willing to sit still and just churn out the same E chord for the rest of their lives.
Their post Black albums show a band, in my opinon, who basically burnt out all their ideas in the style, and having nowhere to turn to creatively, they were forced to try to reinvent themselves completely, which is an often impossible thing to achieve. That says a lot about the type of people that they are and the band that they are. They probably had tape loads of Echord, For Whom The Bell Tolls stuff, that would have been perfectly fine for their fans, but they chose the more difficult route and the result was somewhat piecemeal sounding, with great ideas interspersed throughout the last number of albums. It's not that they're incapable of writing another chuggy Sad But True or Sanitarium, it's more likely that every time they started on a new one, it started to sound like they were repeating themselves, cloning themselves as such, and real artists, very creative people, tend to burn out an idea and move forward rather than continuously repeat the same concept again and again. I think that would be especially true for those who play, what could be seen as quite a limited genre such as thrash...it can be quite a limited palette as such.
Will they ever make an album to match the early ones? I would say that that would be highly unlikely, but who knows. The last one showed signs of rebirth, but was it not them going back to a Metallica by numbers kind of scenario? It's a little damned if you don't and damned if you do, but maybe time will allow us to see some of their later work in a more favourable light.
That whole gig is insane. I was trying to think of a standout song in it but there are so many. Blackened to open any Metallica gig is always good. Harvester of Sorrow might be better than the original here, so much intensity, and James little speech before hand is great. I love how they do Breadfan to finish, I've watched Hetfield shout "GET UP" to the crowd as it kicks in so many times.
It was great to see this reissued as part of the AJFA boxset, stunning sound on the vinyl. Really well mastered. Sounds massive
So they've announced an S&M2 in September. Looking at their performances in recent years where they can't keep time with each other I've no idea how they'll be able to lock in with an orchestra
Sounds like a potential laugh alright :laugh:
Yes Metallica during the 80s were unreal. I got into them when my cousin from US brought a copy of Ride The Lightning over in 85 maybe, hooked then and liked the Black album too when it came out. Went to see them in the Point in 92? not a great gig tbh, they supported themselves with a video, segments of songs mashed together, 3 hour set list with endless solos, I was well bored. Looking back they were at their peak in 88/89 , all the talk about the One video single, they really broke ground there. Fair play to them for that.
Quote from: leatherface on March 16, 2019, 10:25:22 PM
Another one I remember watching constantly was a show recorded for BBC television, also 'And Justice..' era.
Enjoy man...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nedb6oVInc
This is just a sample of MetConcert100 uploads on Youtube. Well worth checking out.
https://youtu.be/o2EmWosdtuE
Utterly fucking ferocious.
https://youtu.be/bP5_y16Zwdw
Just shows why Jason should never have been sacked....
https://youtu.be/6gcLW4gMRZE
Pure magic.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 16, 2019, 09:42:32 PM
What a stunning performance of a band at the absolute peak of their power. When I was a massively obsessed Metallica fan in the early nineties I never saw this footage. Where/how was it originally released? I stopped listening to Metallica for years as I was delving into other areas of metal but have come back to them in the last decade or so and have only become familiar with this footage in recent years. I keep coming back to it with a few tins on the weekends. What an utterly ruthless set. I think if I'd seen them in 90/91/92 at the height of my obsession my head would have exploded.
I can relate to everything you've written here. I was totally obsessed with Metallica in the very early 90s and would have given my left ball to have seen them around that time, even though I caught them first in 1995 at Donington.
I would regard Seattle 1989 as probably them at their very best, that is on record anyways, that we've seen ..... pure fucking ferocity. The set was unbelievable. Hetfield was at his very best (God-like), Lars was doing the business in fairness (don't think he hit a beat wrong throughout the whole gig), Kirk is just Kirk , Jason is a force to be reckoned with, his backing vocals were fucking lethal.
It's sad to see how shit they've become when you look back on something like that. I wish they could have stayed like that forever .....
James just needs to get a bottle of absolut vodka down his neck and become an angry , hateful motherfucker again.
Who didn't wanna be big James growing up?
Quote from: Blitzer666 on March 24, 2019, 12:09:35 PM
James just needs to get a bottle of absolut vodka down his neck and become an angry , hateful motherfucker again.
Who didn't wanna be big James growing up?
I idolized him in my teens if I'm being honest.
I think James had to call it a day after he ended up in a tiny hut somewhere in Russia drinking raw vodka, and woke up with a russian skank and a bag of brown beside him, or so the story goes ....
Didn't know much about his private life, tried to watch some kind of monster a few times, couldn't get past first 20 minutes tho.
Milton Keynes 93 was amazing gig too, broadcast by radio one, they asked hetfield not to swear, first thing he shouts is f**k you motherf**kers.
https://youtu.be/bdYFfOWGWfA
Quote from: Blitzer666 on March 24, 2019, 01:21:18 PM
Didn't know much about his private life, tried to watch some kind of monster a few times, couldn't get past first 20 minutes tho.
Milton Keynes 93 was amazing gig too, broadcast by radio one, they asked hetfield not to swear, first thing he shouts is f**k you motherf**kers.
https://youtu.be/bdYFfOWGWfA
Milton Keynes was probably them at their prime throughout the Black album era. Absolutely scandalous gig. Jason stands out on this one for just being a fucking animal.
It was downhill after this. Donington 95 was when all the muck started to flow i.e. Load/Reload shite
£19 for a ticket too, oh how times have changed!!
Was a great natural arena for a gig too, don't think it's used much now?
That Milton Keynes gig was phenomenal. The whole weekend actually. Bus from Monaghan, ferry to Holyhead.... pure mayhem with a coach load of metalers.
That young guy in the front row during Seek & Destroy. Hetfield came over to him with the mike, cameras panned on to him for the big screen and just as he screamed "searching, seek & destroy" into the mike one of his mates decided to choke him. He sounded like a 7 year old girl on helium.
Hahahahaha, funny as fuck. Poor gasún....
Was that when Whipping Boy supported them?
Hahaha, you nutter.... Lol 😂
Megadeth, The Almighty and Diamond Head.
I meant Placebo, that was 1999!
Easy mistake to make.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ESicEzUtqk
Some guy in the YT comments has worked out the speed increase on the Toronto 86 set :laugh:
Battery - Original 193 BPM / Live 211 BPM (9% faster)
Master Of Puppets - Original 212 BPM / Live 229 BPM (8% faster)
For Whom The Bell Tolls - Original 118 BPM / Live 139 BPM (18% faster)
Welcome Home (Sanitarium) (Slow Part) - Original 95 BPM / Live 107 BPM (13% faster)
Welcome Home (Sanitarium) (Fast Part) - Original 218 BPM / Live 255 BPM (17% faster)
Ride The Lightning - Original 164 BPM / Live 194 BPM (18% faster)
Whiplash - Original 159 BPM / Live 192 BPM (21% faster)
The Things That Should Not Be - Original 111 BPM / Live 131 BPM (18% faster)
Fade To Black (Slow Part) - Original 113 BPM / Live 124 BPM (10% faster)
Fade To Black (Fast Part) - Original 138 / Live 168 BPM (22% faster)
Seek And Destroy (Slow Part) - Original 142 BPM / Live 162 BPM (16% faster)
Seek And Destroy (Fast Part) - Original 208 BPM / Live 254 BPM (22% faster)
Creeping Death - Original 204 BPM / Live 246 BPM (21% faster)
The Four Horsemen - Original 210 BPM / Live 250 BPM (19% faster)
Am I Evil? - Original 156 BPM / Live 188 BPM (21% faster)
Damage, Inc. - Original 186 BPM / Live 208 BPM (12% faster)
Fight Fire With Fire - Original 186 BPM / Live 225 BPM (21% faster)
Blitzkrieg - Original 197 BPM / live 238 BPM (21% faster)
The Seattle show is one I watch regularly. They are just on fire, Hetfield is such a force to be reckoned with. Intense stuff!
I enjoyed the gig in Japan which came with the Master of Puppets remaster. Something about the vocals in particular stands out to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxjR-V6ZeRk
Jesus, don't think much of their encore last night in Lisbon,
16. Lords Of Summer
17. Nothing Else Matters
18. Enter Sandman
Like really?? Awful song , followed by a ballad, followed by their 'everyone knows this tune' to finish.
Wheres damage Inc!?
Given the state of them, these days, surely it's a good thing they leave the classics alone and only butcher the memory of the weaker tracks for the crowd, no?
Hopefully that's the way they do the encore at Slane. Perfect opportunity to get the hell out of dodge and beat the traffic.
Quote from: Emphyrio on May 03, 2019, 08:12:28 AM
Hopefully that's the way they do the encore at Slane. Perfect opportunity to get the hell out of dodge and beat the traffic.
Nah, they'll substitute lords of summer for whisky in the jar!!! Oh lordy
I'm going to the Cure instead.
itt can we restrict conversation to when Metallica were at the top of their game?
There's been a few reaction video's popping up on youtube about the concert they played in Russia in the early 90's.
Harvester of Sorrow from Moscow in 1991 is without doubt my fav live performance of theirs.
Unreal
Great video and a classic performance. I got the AJFA box set just to get this on vinyl and MP3 really.
The Canada video from 86 referred to above is savage too.
Seattle '89 is their finest hour IMO. I bought Live Shit... just for that, really.
Quote from: Gibonz on May 09, 2019, 12:45:52 PM
Harvester of Sorrow from Moscow in 1991 is without doubt my fav live performance of theirs.
Unreal
When they stop and Hetfield hocks up a mouthful, turns my stomach.
Picked up 'Master of Puppets' on cassette this week second hand (from a book/record shop in Spain) and had forgotten about 'The Thing That Should Not Be', badass song, just love those slow, chunky riffs. Do/did they play this much live?
"The Thing That Should Not Be" is my ground zero for metal and by extension, music in general. It's still my favourite Metallica tune and the first thing I listen to when I stick MoP on.
Amazing song.
I was so late to really appreciating that song. It's so fucking heavy. The riff when the solo kicks in is fucking crushing
According to some setlist website they played it live in the Point in 99. I was there but don't remember it specifically. I just remember having mixed emotions about that gig. As a 16 year old at one of my first metal gigs and being a Metallica fanatic I was conflicted between the elation of seeing them live and the disappointment of the newer material and the weaker overall sound and set list of the band in that era.
Yeah is was on their setlist for the 1999 tour, like you i dont remember it being played, my young brain and alcohol didnt help.
only memory was battery at the end of the set.
I wasn't even drunk but don't remember much about the details of that gig, except that they played Nothing Else Matters, which gave me the excuse to nab the young wan who'd worked with me in Tesco a couple of years before and make the most of the lowest point of the setlist.
18, first BIG concert, first time seeing Metalli-fuckin-a... I was in a state of overwhelmed delirium of some kind, and that I remember well.
I was 18 and over the moon to be at that gig too. I recall being pissed off that I didn't get up closer due to there being the armband/pit craic.
The setlist from that show was pure gold compared to the shite they peddled at Slane.
You can't argue with Breadfan, The Thing That Should Not Be, Fight Fire With Fire and Wherever I May Roam all in the one show.
Monster Magnet were a decent support too.
Last time I saw them was when they were touring Load/Reload, which would have been around '97 I think? They were pretty average that night, the whole set-breaking-down shtick was cringeworthy too. I'm more pissed off that I missed COC that night. I was upstairs in the bar, heard them play but wasn't paying much attantion and thought it was just background music before their set.
They were class on the previous tour for the s/t album, though.
Quote from: Grim Reality on July 10, 2019, 11:55:18 PM
According to some setlist website they played it live in the Point in 99. I was there but don't remember it specifically. I just remember having mixed emotions about that gig. As a 16 year old at one of my first metal gigs and being a Metallica fanatic I was conflicted between the elation of seeing them live and the disappointment of the newer material and the weaker overall sound and set list of the band in that era.
I got backstage at that gig and met the guys from Monster Magnet. I doubt they remember meeting me though.
In terms of the Seattle gig one thing that really stands out to me is how good Lars' drumming was. We all know he gets alot of stick and he's no Lombardo or Portnoy but he's very very tight here.
Someone earlier mentioned Harvester of Sorrow from Moscow in '91, I have to agree I still think that's the best recorded performance I've seen of them. The military helicopter flying above the crowd and the troops acting as security is unreal. Pantera were great that day too.
Quote from: Adler on July 19, 2019, 04:35:35 PM
Quote from: Grim Reality on July 10, 2019, 11:55:18 PM
According to some setlist website they played it live in the Point in 99. I was there but don't remember it specifically. I just remember having mixed emotions about that gig. As a 16 year old at one of my first metal gigs and being a Metallica fanatic I was conflicted between the elation of seeing them live and the disappointment of the newer material and the weaker overall sound and set list of the band in that era.
Someone earlier mentioned Harvester of Sorrow from Moscow in '91, I have to agree I still think that's the best recorded performance I've seen of them. The military helicopter flying above the crowd and the troops acting as security is unreal. Pantera were great that day too.
There's an interview by Joe Rogan with Hetfield about the Moscow concert,
If you haven't seen it here's the link:
https://youtu.be/qmSgl4mwZ4Q
Nice one 'face. Interesting theory here on what happened to Lar's drumming:
https://youtu.be/fsq-YBVDxgA
:laugh:
Quote from: Snare on July 23, 2019, 01:40:48 PM
Nice one 'face. Interesting theory here on what happened to Lar's drumming:
https://youtu.be/fsq-YBVDxgA
:laugh:
His reaction to Anthrax... He's clearly a man of culture :laugh:
If anything (gawd forbid) ever happens to Lars, we have a ready made replacement for the drums...
https://youtu.be/Y1Io97JL2EA
QuoteMetallica has been selling out arenas and stadiums across the world during its "WorldWired" tour, which launched in 2016. Germany, Switzerland and Austria are no exception: all 15 concerts in those countries, six stadiums and nine arenas, sold out completely.
The GSA shows sold 486,130 tickets, grossing more than €42 million. To honor this success, Live Nation GSA recently presented Metallica with a Sold Out Award.
I thought they were awarded that the day they called Bob Rock, wha?
Quote from: Juggz on September 16, 2019, 08:54:07 PM
QuoteMetallica has been selling out arenas and stadiums across the world during its "WorldWired" tour, which launched in 2016. Germany, Switzerland and Austria are no exception: all 15 concerts in those countries, six stadiums and nine arenas, sold out completely.
The GSA shows sold 486,130 tickets, grossing more than €42 million. To honor this success, Live Nation GSA recently presented Metallica with a Sold Out Award.
I thought they were awarded that the day they called Bob Rock, wha?
Two drums and a cymbal fall off a cliff...
Incidentally, it still sounded better than Lars
My And Justice For All deluxe set just landed today so tomorrows drive to work will be the Seattle gig :abbath:
Metallica - Live at The Stone Balloon '89 | 720p60fps [Justice Box Set DVD]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgjDKUn455w
Awesome club gig footage at the height of their powers...
https://metallica.com/news/2019-09-27-a-note-from-lars-kirk-and-rob.html
Hetfield back in rehab
Shit one.
Character actor preparation for Some Kind of Monster 2??
Happy days, might write some good tunes again with a bottle of absolut down the neck
I stupidly went to Slane earlier in the year and the gig seemed so off to me and mainly Hetfield who looked unhealthy and completely zoned out. He looked like even his mid song banter was read off the teleprompter. I felt cheated and robbed at that gig but mainly that Hetfield wasn't at the races. Sad to hear that 18 years after his last crash that here he is again, yet I find it not so much of a shock. I still watch their every move like they're legends that will bounce back but when it's a level that eats people alive, they really need go consider stepping away.
I'd imagine if he stepped away he'd have less things to focus on and occupy his time, so it'd be easier to get smashed.
Maybe he'll rethink the 'tallica brand whiskey and beer? It can't be helpful for an alcoholic to have his own line of booze and have to promote it. Perhaps this time the relentless and shameless pursuit of cash will take second place to his health.
Didn't feel like bumping the thread about their last album and didn't want to start a new one, so this'll do: seems Kill 'Em All was released 40 years ago today! :abbath:
No Way......
How good is Seattle / Binge n Purge 3 though!
I heard all the early Meatllica albums in quick succession around 1990,my first proper obsession in life id say!.
Still a class album. They'd be shit within 10 years, though, but able to stretch an increasingly lucrative career out of it for another 30.
I still think they missed a trick when releasing st Anger.Since it was 7 years or so since Load,a return if you want to call it.They could have released a half decent metal album and it might have won us over a bit.Instead they hired a crab and the worst drum sound imaginable,good night!
Drumming on new album has put me off it too
Drumming on the new album is probably (maybe as always) the weakest aspect of it.
I still scratch my head at Hammett's performance. Its just so, uninspired. Like he's trapped in a small Metallica confine. SO disappointed.
Best thing about the album is the regurgitated "No Remorse" riff..... :laugh:
Hetfield plays well, depending on what your listening to the album on, the tone can be 'ok'.
Rob 'stamped the card' anyway.
Actually enjoyed half of a couple of the tunes on the new thing but the sound is fairly bad, mostly stemming from the drums. As Paul is saying there, had they released something like this after Loads then it would've seemed alright but there really was no coming back from st anger unless they tried something new altogether but they really haven't done that at all