Love them or hate them this is Bad situation to be in, i do support Krzysztof,
As I remember reading about Bart who runs Witching Hour Productions which have been ripping people off, he seems like a right Pr1ck. Reckon this will be messier than the Gorgoroth Drama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEEg8bg-haw
I remember hearing that Witching hour productions were sending Batuska lps out in used pizza boxes! Says it all really..This whole situation is kinda funny considering the whole point was anonymity and now its turned into a battle of personalities.
Quote from: Weltenfeind on January 03, 2019, 08:38:57 AM
I remember hearing that Witching hour productions were sending Batuska lps out in used pizza boxes! Says it all really..This whole situation is kinda funny considering the whole point was anonymity and now its turned into a battle of personalities.
haha i didnt hear that one, but i did hear he ripped off so many people not sending out products, didnt accept paypal so people where buying merch via bank cards so most people didnt get refunded. he just ignored emails. thread on discogs about it, alot of p1ssed off people.
What a mess.
What happened with Gorgoroth ?
Quote from: Blizzard Beast on January 03, 2019, 09:37:05 AM
What a mess.
What happened with Gorgoroth ?
basically Gaahl and King fired Infernus who created Gorgoroth, then Infernus filed lawsuit and won.
Quote from: Weltenfeind on January 03, 2019, 08:38:57 AM
I remember hearing that Witching hour productions were sending Batuska lps out in used pizza boxes!
For real? Considering all the effort they put into their appearance and stage setup, you'd think they'd care a bit more about the presentation of their albums. To be fair, Bart looks like he goes through a good amount of pizza, so it's an easy way for him to shift all the boxes afterwards. Could easily be buying the pizzas for the sole purpose of obtaining packaging for orders.
Seems like a lot of bands are ending up this way recently. Gorgoroth, Entombed, Immortal, Venom...
http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1077307
Jesus. Why even bother sending anything at all? Probably could have saved money on shipping if they just sent a smaller box which wasn't full of rubbish.
So there's Krys and Kris.
http://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/breakups/batushka-suffers-lineup-split-both-sides-claim-their-version-of-the-band-is-the-real-version (http://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/breakups/batushka-suffers-lineup-split-both-sides-claim-their-version-of-the-band-is-the-real-version)
Quote from: Cernunnos on January 03, 2019, 10:10:47 AM
Quote from: Blizzard Beast on January 03, 2019, 09:37:05 AM
What a mess.
What happened with Gorgoroth ?
basically Gaahl and King fired Infernus who created Gorgoroth, then Infernus filed lawsuit and won.
I can't remember exactly what happened but I don't they fired him because they continued as God Seed before the court case was decided. It was Infernus's band anyway so I can't really blame him for going to court the name definitely belonged to him. I think maybe Gaahl and that wanted the rights to the albums they were involved in but again I could be wrong that was nearly 10 yeas ago.
Watched their set from Party San on youtube, just a spookier, less impressive version of Ghost. The idea is cool but they're about as sinister as a pub band
Quote from: Angel of Debt on January 05, 2019, 08:56:50 PM
Watched their set from Party San on youtube, just a spookier, less impressive version of Ghost. The idea is cool but they're about as sinister as a pub band
i could be totally wrong but im thinking they got the whole stage set up from Cult of Fire! which are a much better band IMO
Quote from: Weltenfeind on January 03, 2019, 03:13:42 PM
http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1077307
That link does not play nice on mobile. Pass my monocle please.
New track surfaced the other day which is not too bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJlcndLGc4Q
i havent been following any of the drama going on with the band but that new song posted above is brilliant. sounds better than the stuff of the first album to me
That song is by yer man Kristof anyway. Apparently he's won a temporary barring order against the other lad using the name or releasing anything under the Batushka name which has presumably thrown a fairly big spanner in the works for Metal Blade's version of the band.
Barts version of Batushka was uploaded today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sccJ35Y223A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sccJ35Y223A)
I recall there was drama around people getting ripped off for the endless limited edition vinyl versions of the debut album but I soon stopped paying attention and they drifted off my radar despite the bits and pieces I heard sounding alright. I thought they were all anonymous but it seems the veils have lifted so what's the craic now? Two egos split and fighting over rights to the name? Any insight on who the characters are and other associated bands?
Just metal archived them. I must say it came as a surprise to find that Bill Bailey was involved.
Awful mess two bands under the same name comming out with material at the same time. The first track is certainly more to my liking than the Metal Blade version of the band's one
Wait, I thought the Metal Blade version aren't allowed to release anything under the name?
Quote from: Melmoth on May 15, 2019, 06:16:48 PM
Awful mess two bands under the same name comming out with material at the same time. The first track is certainly more to my liking than the Metal Blade version of the band's one
I think that's the main fella of the band (Krzysztof ) as it sounds pretty similar to the debut stuff.
Confusing. The first track posted there is definitely the more interesting anyway.
Quote from: Blizzard Beast on May 15, 2019, 04:23:57 PM
Barts version of Batushka was uploaded today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sccJ35Y223A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sccJ35Y223A)
Jesus that track is awful, absolutely nothing going on there. It's obvious who was the actual creative force in the band between the two tracks.
Quote from: ldj on May 15, 2019, 06:57:38 PM
Wait, I thought the Metal Blade version aren't allowed to release anything under the name?
From what I can gather they're not allowed to, but Bart just isn't honoring the court ruling.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on May 15, 2019, 05:56:09 PM
I recall there was drama around people getting ripped off for the endless limited edition vinyl versions of the debut album but I soon stopped paying attention and they drifted off my radar despite the bits and pieces I heard sounding alright. I thought they were all anonymous but it seems the veils have lifted so what's the craic now? Two egos split and fighting over rights to the name? Any insight on who the characters are and other associated bands?
Bart, known from band Hermh (shite band, if You ask me) is a fella behind Witching Hour - infamous, rip-off label and distro. As I'm writing this there is quite fresh thread on NWN forum - started by Yosuke - regarding heaps of stuff this clown owes NWN prod. He screwed over a lot of people over the years, used every dirty trick and dodge, including declaring bankrupcy and transfering the ownership of any actives to his mother, with whom he aparently lives now, being her dependant 8).
Personally, couldn't care less for Batushka's music. Surely, I can't tell with 100% certainty that Bart is in the wrong when it comes to dispute over rights to the name, music, etc... but the fella has an ugly history. Also, if there was any doubt about Batushka being a calculated product and a cash grab... well, some comments made by this gentleman about the band's fans that spilled over to the polish internet did away with it.
(https://images90.fotosik.pl/179/1e372133390ecdd5gen.jpg)
Batushka are as mysterious as Spinal Tap doing Stonehenge.
Are you saying that Bart is in danger of being crushed... BY A FUCKING DWARF???
The Drama Continues :o
http://www.metalstorm.net/events/news_comments.php?news_id=35884 (http://www.metalstorm.net/events/news_comments.php?news_id=35884)
they have a new album out today.the kris version
https://batushka-panihida.bandcamp.com/album/-?fbclid=IwAR3ZAmLhe9dkjWlnwoTjcHdwhysBDWoF1P2S_5QbZks94Bt1T2LuUp3OdWM
Had a listen to the whole album there, some great parts throughout, will need more listens but first impressions are good. Seems to use less of the choral vocals compared to the first album
yeah this is sounding really good. as for the choral vocals, i think less is more.they were a bit overkill on the first album.
Really loving what im hearing after first listen.
New album sounds great from Krzysztof's Batushka not that other shite.
How many bands has this happened to recently? Off the top of my head I can think of
Entombed/Entombed AD
Venom/Venom Inc
Just makes it more confusing trying to figure out which one is the "real" band
Could you lump Morbid Angel in there?
Quote from: blessed1 on May 27, 2019, 04:51:16 PM
they have a new album out today.the kris version
https://batushka-panihida.bandcamp.com/album/-?fbclid=IwAR3ZAmLhe9dkjWlnwoTjcHdwhysBDWoF1P2S_5QbZks94Bt1T2LuUp3OdWM
this is the one with the original songwriter on it?
Hes had to change his bandcamp page name, anyone interested in the album links below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTwdZVaq4vQ&t=1101s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTwdZVaq4vQ&t=1101s)
https://sphieratz.bandcamp.com/releases (https://sphieratz.bandcamp.com/releases)
I think there's no way for these types of band splits to end well. I understand the financial and reputational aspect in abandoning a name you have established and built up, but a clean break leaves the water clear. The Batushka fan base are probably going to check out whatever you do and it leaves the artist with some integrity intact. Rather than trying to claim rights to the name, let your creativity render the old name irrelevant. Just my thoughts on it.
A clean break is good when everyone involved carries equal weight in the band and they all agree to go their own way. It's not so fun when one of the people wants to keep the band running. There's going to be genuine fans who actually follow the band and are aware of any news, but I'm sure the majority of people don't follow bands so if they see a new album or gig, they'll assume it's the same band they knew previously. Makes things a lot more difficult for the person who didn't get to keep the band name.
For example, Krzysztof's Batushka is up on bandcamp with the artist name "Krzysztof Drabikowsk" under the URL "sphieratz.bandcamp.com". It'd be hard to know it's Batushka unless you've been following the story. Although it's currently the top metal album on bandcamp, so maybe people are more in the loop than what I would expect!
Quote from: Hambeast on June 05, 2019, 12:27:41 PM
A clean break is good when everyone involved carries equal weight in the band and they all agree to go their own way. It's not so fun when one of the people wants to keep the band running. There's going to be genuine fans who actually follow the band and are aware of any news, but I'm sure the majority of people don't follow bands so if they see a new album or gig, they'll assume it's the same band they knew previously. Makes things a lot more difficult for the person who didn't get to keep the band name.
Partly off topic but worth looking into what has been going on with Fear Factory post-Digimortal for some more examples of this kind of thing going to absolute shit. Apparently issues with past members and legal rights to the name are why they ended up with shifting members since 2009-ish, in and out of court, current album delayed because of it etc, still going on 10 years later. As well as other awful form if any sessions musicians are to be believed, and members arguing online too - it would put you off listening to the bands at all when this sort of thing happens openly.
Exactly. It becomes a farce and the credibility of the band gets sullied. Maybe some people enjoy the drama and are happy to have two Batushkas, Entombeds, Venoms etc but from a creative and artistic point of view I'd see it as being, maybe not as practical, but certainly artistically stronger to cut and run. Start up a new project, if you feel the need to mention ex- Batushka members in the press release then fine, even though there is something paradoxical about a band built up on anonymity getting caught up in this type of situation.
Cut and run would seem the best thing to do for the reasons you give... but a lot of these things have presumably got more to do with not wanting the other party to use the name than with particularly wanting to use it yourself. If I can't have it, no one can! A clean break for oneself won't sort that part out.
There should be a kind of King Solomon style solution, where they suggest cutting the name in two and taking half each; whichever one agrees to it loses everything. (Of all the batshit crazy bible stories, this has always struck me as one of the fucking weirdest... what kind of "wisdom" is a presumption of one woman being a fucking psycho? Anyway, I digress... although, batshit... batushit... batushkit... I think I may have a way out here!)
If you're going down that route you could probably get four Batushkas out of Bart alone.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 05, 2019, 02:32:22 PM
If you're going down that route you could probably get four Batushkas out of Bart alone.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
:abbath:
this is worse than the first song Bart's batuska released!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9qIdRM3eTE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9qIdRM3eTE)
Anthony Fantano is offended:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1p2tYx0s-A
not even going open that, popped up on my youtube feed got annoyed just seeing that mug, he has the most punchable face! >:(
He does. He's fighting the right side here though, against Metal Blade and Barts.
That link is a trap.. you click on it and lose 5 metal points cause the guy is wearing a pink (will claim its salmon) shirt :abbath: :abbath: :abbath:
How many metal points do you lose for caring so much about what someone else is wearing? ;)
Looks like there will be a documentary released about the beef.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j55hsARutos&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1YwrhozBuxRYmukteL4QGwnDMd5N9qU0vU4VpxJSmYpruVkui8Riwf9LA
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 15, 2019, 12:40:20 PM
How many metal points do you lose for caring so much about what someone else is wearing? ;)
Double trap :(
Quote from: Blizzard Beast on September 06, 2019, 10:46:52 AM
Looks like there will be a documentary released about the beef.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j55hsARutos&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1YwrhozBuxRYmukteL4QGwnDMd5N9qU0vU4VpxJSmYpruVkui8Riwf9LA
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Just when you thought it could'nt get any more absurd!
As pretentious as that looks I'll still watch it 😂
Is it Bart or Kris's documentary?
Quote from: Blizzard Beast on September 06, 2019, 01:45:41 PM
Is it Bart or Kris's documentary?
A joint production allegedly.
:-X
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 15, 2019, 10:40:55 AM
Anthony Fantano is offended:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1p2tYx0s-A
That Lorcan?
Fuck off Karl! :)
https://baggtussa.bandcamp.com/releases
https://batyushka.bandcamp.com/releases
A few more pretenders crawling out of the woodwork.
Man, what a tedious farce. So much energy wasted on, what, poor satire? It's the creative equivalent of comedians having a go at Trump.
If anyone wants to start one called "Babooshka" where all the lyrics are from Kate Bush songs over black metal, I'm available. We could just sample Enya and slow it down for the choral bits, be grand.
Make it so
So far this is the best one I've seen: https://dotushka.bandcamp.com/album/dotushka-patuska-split-preview?from=discover-new
Pat Butcher Kult Eternal!
:laugh:
Immortal Dot! :abbath:
Some new material from the Metal Blade version of the band, sounds better than anything from the Hospodi album at least
https://youtu.be/3VMOp_YhlVA
Which Batushka is this, the main fella or the vocalist version of the band?
The Metal Blade version is the usurper rather than the usurped incarnation.
Utterly cunty thing to do. How do these fucks think they can get away with just stealing a bands intellectual property?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 21, 2020, 01:55:19 PM
The Metal Blade version is the usurper rather than the usurped incarnation.
Ah ok,Im not in a mad rush to listen to his stuff based on the track he released last year which was poor enough.
Beyond comprehension. Pathetic really, the brains behind the whole concept was hardly just going to say 'ah yeah grand, we'll work something out'. The music is OK, live show seems cool from the YouTube videos I've seen, but that's by the by. Total cuntyballs move, and and now he's created a ridiculous quagmire.
Any iteration of this band is just completely unnecessary, not essential and not worth the fuss of any kind. There was nothing remotely authentic behind the creation of the original record, everything that happened after is just arguing over revenue.
Yeah, gimme these guys any day.....
https://youtu.be/3wm4RlnnaOU
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on July 24, 2020, 08:03:59 PM
Yeah, gimme these guys any day.....
https://youtu.be/3wm4RlnnaOU
That's actually great!
Quote from: lifeeternal on July 24, 2020, 09:03:23 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on July 24, 2020, 08:03:59 PM
Yeah, gimme these guys any day.....
https://youtu.be/3wm4RlnnaOU
That's actually great!
There's quite a few of them. And trust me, there's nothing better to relax or meditate with....
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2idqtFYuUEdWQzjFsJ1823tjRJH0H-iJ
Looks like they have changed the name to Patriarkh.
https://metalinjection.net/news/barts-batushka-changes-their-name-to-patriarkh (https://metalinjection.net/news/barts-batushka-changes-their-name-to-patriarkh)
I couldn't give a shit about either band, all the crybaby feuding was the fucking lamest shit ever and ruined anything even remotely cool they had going for them. I can't even bring myself to listen to the original album.
Quote from: Mithrandir on September 10, 2024, 09:57:26 PMI couldn't give a shit about either band, all the crybaby feuding was the fucking lamest shit ever and ruined anything even remotely cool they had going for them.
Nail on head.
Ah now in fairness, I think they came off as mysterious babies.
I've forgotten which one is which now this nonsense has dragged on so long and I've lost interest in whichever one was better