A thought for entertaining:

"And people get all fouled up because they want the world to have meaning as if it were words...
As if you had a meaning,
as if you were a mere word, as if you were something that could be looked up in a dictionary.
You are meaning."
Alan Watts

Further to that, and in agreement with it: isn't the meaning of life unquantifiable by its' very nature anyway and completely individual to the experiencer?

Like for some, the meaning of life might boil down to something like instagram likes and for another it might be how many monkeys they have speared for today's dinner. I guess that is the beauty of the search for meaning, that we all get to take our own view on it entirely while never being able to truly get the idea across to someone else, as they will have a meaning entirely of their own.

And there is beauty in the idea of trying to explain it to another all the same, and hearing what they think on it. Those conversations can shine a mental light on other facets of what is meaningful, while we still form ideas entirely of our own.


This could be of interest to some of you. It's true that Bohm has indirectly inspired possibly more "quantum woo" nonsense than anyone else, but I'd belong to those who believe that the scientific edifice's exclusionary elitism is just as much to blame. The documentary is a bit more physics centered than I thought, and notably doesn't go into any of his ideas about creativity, which for me is where he really shines. But anyway, enough of my yakkin', let's boogie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDpurdHKpb8

Intellect: Ostensibly there is colour,  ostensibly sweetness,  ostensibly bitterness,  actually only atoms and the void.

Senses: Poor intellect,  do you hope to defeat us while from us you borrow your evidence? Your victory is your defeat.

Democritus.

Rings a bell regarding a certain forum user  :laugh:

Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 12, 2020, 09:48:58 PM
Intellect: Ostensibly there is colour,  ostensibly sweetness,  ostensibly bitterness,  actually only atoms and the void.

Senses: Poor intellect,  do you hope to defeat us while from us you borrow your evidence? Your victory is your defeat.

Democritus.

Rings a bell regarding a certain forum user  :laugh:

I'm a fool who knows he's a fool. It doesn't stop there being far out stuff happening. Well done on the pre-Socratics though. Those guys are often overlooked

True that. Even though, after Democritus, Heraclitus, Parmenides, Empedocles and company, philosophy did kind of Plateau*.


* According to Whitehead anyway.

Academic puns (there's another one right there!) aside, Democritus was the man:
"Nature and education are somewhat similar. The latter transforms man, and in so doing creates a second nature."

That right there is everything.

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 12, 2020, 10:45:24 PM
True that. Even though, after Democritus, Heraclitus, Parmenides, Empedocles and company, philosophy did kind of Plateau*.


* According to Whitehead anyway.

Fantastique!  :laugh: One for the academic huns.

Quote from: Scáthach on July 13, 2020, 10:50:23 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 12, 2020, 10:45:24 PM
True that. Even though, after Democritus, Heraclitus, Parmenides, Empedocles and company, philosophy did kind of Plateau*.


* According to Whitehead anyway.

Fantastique!  :laugh: One for the academic huns.

Someone should be Aristotting up all the puns... maybe it Kant be Donne.

I've been listening to Sheldon Solomon talking about the important role of death in life over the past couple of days. Going to grab one of his books tomorrow I think.  Interesting dude and lots of interesting things to ponder in what he is saying, or at least a lot of it resonates with my own outlook and, obviously,  goes a lot deeper into these ideas that I could manage myself.