Are we all fucked?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Old Neil isn't as principled as he's trying to come across. Amazon don't exactly have a clean bill by any stretch of the imagination.

No arguments about this. Or about Apple either, since many people seem to be doing their switching to there. It is pretty funny how Spotify managed to snatch up 86% (!) of the streaming market, to an extent that many people think there are no alternatives, let alone alternatives that actually have a somewhat decent attitude towards paying artists.

[Eoin McLove]

He said he was taking his music off spotify, and he did it, which at 6 million monthly listeners will cost him a few quid...so how is that performance?

He's worth $200 million so whatever couple of million he will lose won't hurt. He'll make it back on Amazon in no time. I think Rogan is something of a tit regarding his nutty Covid stance but so what? He's entitled to not follow the popular trend regardless. I am always against any form of non platforming people,I just think it's fucking dense. As has been said before, people are free to believe anything they like, be it from mainstream media or from Joe Rogan. Long live democracy.

Edit. To put it another way. Far right propaganda is more overt in its grotesqueness and easier to ignore. Far left propaganda presents itself as this all loving and righteous ideology that has only the best interest of everyone at heart. I just don't believe a word of it.

Edit edit. Who gives a bollocks, really. It's all the same oul guff from all of us on an endless loop 

[astfgyl]

The Neil Young thing is quite shit but unsurprising in this day and age. I mean Rogan could be talking out of his hole or be right about everything, who knows? I don't really care if he is or not but I'd be pretty certain Neil Young doesn't know any more about any of it than he does so it's really a very silly stance to take.

All Young had to do was stay out of it instead of being a spokesman for the wonderful products of the large pharmaceutical companies, but instead he's protesting for what exactly? Same story if a band/artist was going the other way and getting off Spotify because someone on there was too pro-vaccination, it's just idiocy and is like "well if he wants to play then I'm taking my ball home".

Yeah it's that big and clever, but he'll be the darling of the traditional media outlets because they're all scared shitless of Rogan's pulling power and would be far happier to see him cancelled than put it up to him with their impartial and interesting programming. It'll backfire anyway and Rogan will gain more listeners than Young will lose.

And no, I don't really listen to either of them but I'd favour Rogan in this argument for the same reasons McLove outlined there rather than for what Rogan is or isn't promoting.

Lastly just as I post, I notice I'm not in the pc/offended thread. We could badly do with tidying up these topics a bit so I'll try come back with some environmental stuff as that's all set to be the next great divider and will have the likes of Neil Young throwing his toys out of the pram over the likes of single use plastics and agricultural runoff as well as telling you not to drive your car.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Rogan won't lose any listeners over this, but Young may gain some. Again, taking the most cynical position, for argument's sake, he stands to do great out of this, easily recovering in increased interest from other streaming services he's on whatever he may lose from Spotify.

I still enjoy that he did it: about time people got another little glimpse that the power ultimately resides in the "content" not the provider, i.e. Spotify and Daniel Ek.

The discussion spilled in here because of Peterson being on Rogan, talking through his hole about stuff he knows nothing about. Not just presenting a different opinion, but displaying a fundamental ignorance of how several scientific disciplines operate. Unchallenged. I think that's part of the problem: Rogan has a mix of experts and chancers on his podcast, but neither he nor his listeners seem to be able to tell the difference. He's said now he'll "try harder" in the future.

[Kurt Cocaine]

"Keep on Rocking in the Free World" fuck yeah! 

https://tessa.substack.com/p/neil-young-pfizer

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

This was already mentioned above KC. Blackstone also have their investment finger in Spotify, so that somewhat complicates any simple narrative anyone would like to draw up. Some groups are so big, they're everywhere.

[astfgyl]

Yeah I see he's going to put warnings/disclaimers on some future podcasts so I guess that's something to come from Young's tantrum. Again I don't really listen to either so I won't notice the difference either way, but I'm still against that sort of censorship. Like if someone is talking ring on Rogan, we can make up our own minds and those who can't... well tough luck to them.

As you say they'll probably both do well out of this little spat but I think Young is misguided stirring the pot of division like this. Sort of reminds me of the shitty stance Foo fighters took over it all, too. Fuck it sure he's not the first and won't be the last and If I liked his tunes I'd still listen to him either way and just ignore what he's saying, or if I was a regular Rogan listener it wouldn't put me off listening to Young's stuff either.

About the power residing with the creator that's a fair point and in a way I do like to see it but I'd rather it was about something like paying artists their due rather than the likes of this. What is Young even standing up for here with this lark, and how does he discern what is misinformation anyway beyond the obviously insane stuff?

[astfgyl]

This was already mentioned above KC. Blackstone also have their investment finger in Spotify, so that somewhat complicates any simple narrative anyone would like to draw up. Some groups are so big, they're everywhere.

Blackstone sounds a lot like BlackRock. I wonder is there any connection?

[open face surgery]

Yes.

[Kurt Cocaine]

This was already mentioned above KC. Blackstone also have their investment finger in Spotify, so that somewhat complicates any simple narrative anyone would like to draw up. Some groups are so big, they're everywhere.

Blackstone sounds a lot like BlackRock. I wonder is there any connection?

Larry Fink and Co. says yes. And it was intentionally named to sound similar...

@BSC: yes, it's as if Blackrock are now literally running the world.

[The Heretic]

This whole Young v Rogan catfight is a complete circus....who gives a fuck what either of them think...skip options are great!!

[Don Gately]

Was Rogan the presenter of Fear Factor once upon a time? How did he get his own show...
Now I see he was and a UFC Commentator. For some reason I never connected the 2. I'm still stunned that he has such a popular show.

[mickO)))]

Was Rogan the presenter of Fear Factor once upon a time? How did he get his own show...

Yes he was the presenter. He started his own podcast out of his house about 10 - 12 years ago and over time it has become the biggest podcast in the world. He was one of the first to do it and he also had the connections through many different sources to get various famous people to come on. It use to be on Youtube then in May of 2020 he was offered a massive deal from Spotify so he moved over there in September of 2020.

[Don Gately]

OK thanks, fair play to him. Jesus that's massive bucks.
So he's vax cynical, does his popularity come from a republican base or is it the UFC crowd?

[mickO)))]

OK thanks, fair play to him. Jesus that's massive bucks.
So he's vax cynical, does his popularity come from a republican base or is it the UFC crowd?

The podcast was big long before the pandemic. He is also a comedian which is where I would guess most of his original fanbase came from.

The funny thing is he is left wing and up until a few years ago the only right wing view he held was the right to bear arms. Then a transexual man called Fallon Fox started competing in women's MMA which he had an issue with due bone density etc. not changing during a sex change so he said it was crazy that a person like this was allowed to get into a cage and legally fight women. After that all of sudden he was far right, alt right etc.

He had Bernie Sanders on in 2020 in order to endorses him for the election. A lot of people either don't know or conveniently forget he has had several pro vaccine guests on the podcast including Sanjay Gupta who made a show of himself.

Joe has never once said do not get the vaccine he feels people should be allowed to make the choice themselves and he also can't understand why over the course of the pandemic no experts were talking about basic things like healthy diet, exercise etc. He was even due to get the vaccine himself before one of the UFC PPVs early last year but for some reason they weren't able to give it to him there and then so he was told to come back. Before he went back one of his friends suffered an adverse reaction which if I remember correctly was a blood clot so he then decided against getting it.