Are we all fucked?

[Trev]

I haven't listened to the Peterson podcast yet but Bill Gates isn't a scientist or a doctor yet that hasn't stopped his opinions on both the pandemic or climate change from being rammed down our throats on a daily basis for the last 2 years.

I've barely heard a thing from Bill Gates since covid started, maybe just change where you get your news from?

[Caomhaoin]

It's very clear that the vast, vast majority of people in the 18-49 age bracket who have died of COVID in the US since the vaccine has been available have been unvaccinated:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~18-49

Every public figure, especially one with 11 million listeners, almost all of them within that precise age bracket, who insists on spreading their "opinion" on whether or not young people should get vaccinated, should at least stop and reflect a moment about that fact. It's where Rogan's reality as a moron crashes into his self-perception as a critical thinker.

It seems that you have a vitriolic, vehement hatred of the lad which is only partly down to his stance on vaccines. I don't get it. Maybe play the ball rather than the man? I mean, he's a presenter, and he has to engage with the topic to some extent. You might have a point about Dr Peterson having acolytes, but Joe Rogan? I seriously doubt anyone would be interested in him being an interviewee rather than interviewer.

You'd probably get on well with him as long as you kept it to hash and other 'shooting the shit' topics.

[ldj]

I don't think Joe Rogan has like an intent to push anything malicious, I just think he's an eejit and naive, but I have noticed that whenever I've seen videos of a guest that veers lets say 'Left' or 'Liberal', he is way more likely to debate and challenge them on their beliefs or opinions than he will a more conservative guest.

He will let Peterson, Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, whoever else, come on and  say all sorts of crackpot shit without question, but if a guest comes on who is pro-vaccine or something he'll interrogate the shit out them lol.

Still, even that might just be down to him loving a conspiracy.

[Caomhaoin]

Without question? No, that's not true.

Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro are hardly crackpots. Alex Jones, I'll grant you, is.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Maybe play the ball rather than the man? I mean, he's a presenter, and he has to engage with the topic to some extent. You might have a point about Dr Peterson having acolytes, but Joe Rogan? I seriously doubt anyone would be interested in him being an interviewee rather than interviewer.

What are you talking about? I am playing the ball. The data* is the ball. Quantified reality versus Rogan's perceptions. If I was just playing the man, I wouldn't bother with the ball. You're as bad as him for not stopping to think before speaking.

See, this is the thing: what you or Rogan "seriously doubt" doesn't matter next to reality. Neither of you seem to get this. Rogan has massive influence over who knows how many tens of thousands of impressionable youths who think that he is the absolute man that he presents himself to be. And beyond his direct fanboys, his voice via soundbites and extracts is so amplified across social media, that it really is a major contributor to the anti-COVID vaccine movement as a whole.


* This data:

It's very clear that the vast, vast majority of people in the 18-49 age bracket who have died of COVID in the US since the vaccine has been available have been unvaccinated:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~18-49

[Caomhaoin]

I mean (I guess you didn't pause for reflection!) playing the man via the ad hominem slandering you are indulging in, a combination of confirmation bias and a dismissal of an, in your mind, inferior intellect.

Considering you find the man so nauseating and 'moronic', it's a safe bet that you have based your conclusions of the individual on,at best, a few cherry picked clips from his vaccine rants, or worse, I suspect, what you've gleaned from the second hand.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I don't find him nauseating (another problem with you, just making stuff up), but I do think he is a moron, yes. As regards his views on COVID and the vaccine, it's not like he's been particularly nuanced Kev. What do you think I've been missing when he proudly proclaims that he will be relying on his own immune system and thinks that most healthy people of his age bracket can and should do the same? What have I missed? And how, looking again at the data of unvaccinated versus vaccinated deaths in the same age bracket, is that not potentially a dangerous thing to be proclaiming when you have a platform of tens of millions?

What have I missed about the subject at hand? That subject being Rogan endlessly going on about his perception of the vaccine being unnecessary for people "like him"?

That is the ball here. Play it.

[Caomhaoin]

What did I make up? You've made your disdain crystal clear, so substitute 'nauseating' for whatever word pleases you.

I'm not arguing with you about his stance on vaccines. I am not against vaccination, quite the opposite. (Another problem with you, etc). I'm pointing out that calling the man a moron among other things based on this one issue betrays a deeper vehemence. I acknowledge your point, but you are implying that millions are too dumb to make their own minds up and will mindlessly follow the pied piper over on Spotify.

I enjoy his show, as do millions, principally for the variety and quality of the guests. It seems to me you'd love to see him burn even if he changed his position on COVID.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

If you're not arguing about his stance on vaccines, in a discussion that is precisely about that, then why are you arguing at all? You're just confusing things. If you're arguing against me only because you think I hate Rogan, that is playing the man. The ball is how very wrong and reckless he has been in amplifying anti-COVID vaccine perspectives, even while publicly available data was continuously showing that the vast majority of people dying... unvaccinated... FFS Kev, slap yourself across the face and just pay attention: *that* is why he's a moron! It's not a baseless ad hominem. It's because it was clear as fucking day for anyone who wanted to go and actually look that almost no vaccinated people under 50 were dying, while thousands of unvaccinated were.

[Caomhaoin]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt then, as it's a fine evening out, and so as not to clog up another thread with you and I seeing who can piss on the others leg the longest

[Eoin McLove]

I'm just glad Neil Young caught a dose of Polio. He should have got the vaccine.

[Eoin McLove]

I see Spotify have lost 2.8 billion since Neil Young pulled his songs. Mental!

[open face surgery]

I read 4 billion. There could be a hot take yet. Amazon music are offering Neil Young fans 4 months free subscription. Old Neil isn't as principled as he's trying to come across. Amazon don't exactly have a clean bill by any stretch of the imagination.

[Eoin McLove]

It's all performance. Fair fucks to the old codger in a way, he's generating a lot of interest for doing fuck all 

[ldj]

He said he was taking his music off spotify, and he did it, which at 6 million monthly listeners will cost him a few quid...so how is that performance?