Are we all fucked?

[Caomhaoin]

I don't know how people have managed to turn this into Neil Young trying to 'censor' Joe Rogan, he just doesn't want his music on the same platform as the shite Rogan peddles.

Neil Young survived polio when he was a kid, he lived because of a vaccine, if he doesn't want to share a platform with a guy who gets paid 100's of millions to tell morons a horse dewormer can be used to treat covid, then that's up to him.

That horse dewormer accusation that CNN shrieked about and that you repeat here has been shown to be, at best, a malevolent twisting of facts.

He has made missteps talking about this topic, no doubt about it, but his podcast is being dismissed wholesale because of it, which is unfair. It's, for the most part, a great listen.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Whatever ivermectin is, it is at best a placebo against COVID. I agree that liberal media's spinning of it as a horse dewormer wasn't helpful, but the reason it wasn't helpful is precisely because that twisting detracted from the only important fact: it is not a treatment against COVID, as Rogan claimed... while filling himself up on monoclonal antibodies and everything else modern medicine had to offer, as long as it wasn't the vaccine.

[Caomhaoin]

Yeah, the hullabaloo was that it was spun as a non-human medication (for what of a less clunky turn of phrase) and he gleefully made CNN look like cunts over it. I actually felt sorry for the lemon who came on to the show about it.

God almighty, my kingdom for COVID and vaccinations to be out of the public sphere forever.

[Eoin McLove]

As I said above, I would absolutely love it if by some kind of chaotic butterfly effect it all snowballs and Spotify crashes and burns. That won't happen, but I would love to see it if it did. So fair play to Neil Young: he didn't just tweet or piss and moan, he did something. Not much of a something, but still an actual act, reminding people that actual action is an option. Don't forget that somewhere behind all this is the fact that Spotify, who built themselves up by stomping on the backs of musicians and giving them nothing in return, then turned around and gave more money to Joe Rogan than they had given to any artist. That got a lot of bad blood churning. Now, if beyond that, he's using his 100 million dollar platform to vulcanize idiots, not only with bullshit science, but with the idea that believing in bullshit science actually makes them, like Rogan, "critical thinkers", jesus, please yes, get the marshmallows out and burn it all down. Why the fuck not?

I don't know about vulcanizing idiots. You will always have a percentage of the population who move against the grain of whatever is deemed the mainstream. As if Joe Rogan is warping the minds of his listeners and brainwashing them into his line of thinking. I have no interest in his mad diet theories or his opinion on Covid- he's a fucking presenter! His strength as an interviewer is that he has no problem interviewing a wide range of guests with expertise in areas he knows fuck all about. Simple as that really.

Your points about Spotify are spot on. They are a leech but they offered Rogan 100 million to get him on their DREADED PLATFORM and he'd have been a fucking mad man to pass it up.

And as for an 80 year old man crying about "sharing a platform" with someone whose opinions are conflicting with his own... he's a baby. I absolutely cannot take that attitude seriously in any way.

Edit. Here's hoping Spotify have to cough up 200 million to buy him out of his contract. Saps 

[open face surgery]

That sums it up for me as well. The onus lies on the people that are heavily invested in what comes out of his mouth, not him. He is a comedian and fight commentator, not a fuckin dictator. I really can't understand this madness. Many other media outlets have openly lied for decades.  Nothing will change. Make your own mind up.

I saw that he came off stage to Keep on Rocking in the Free World the other night. Tip of the hat to that move anyway.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Joe Rogan has actual disciples. Just as Jordan Peterson does. Many, many, many of them. People listen to them. People think they know what they're talking about more than other people who actually know what they're talking about. So yeah, Joe Rogan absolutely is influencing the minds of a certain not insignificant proportion of his tens of millions of listeners. Sure just look at comments under clips on YouTube and see how many thousands of likes the most sycophantic ones get. It is fact that Rogan exercises influence and that there are people who wait to see what he has to say about the latest issues. To what extent does he cater his views to his and his team's identification of their key demographic? Potentially to quite a large extent, in which case, it's even worse, but totally in keeping with how the rest of media works.

And I don't know why you're saying Neil Young is crying. He saw one thing he could do to annoy Spotify, and he did it. You sound a bit like a top hat wearing gentlemen saying the Suffragettes or the Irish Republican Brotherhood are "crying".

[Eoin McLove]

Don't get me started on the suffragettes, old bean...

One thing I've learned is that reading the comments after something you've enjoyed listening to generally yields bad results. There will always be the sycophantic set, there will always be those who feel like minor celebrities by saying the right thing on social media and getting likes, and there will always always always be a portion of the population who are against whatever the mainstream is doing. Whether it's music or film or sport or politics or you name it. Does his occasional foray into weird conspiracy theories appeal to those people? No doubt. But for the thousands of people who go along with that there are surely many thousands more who just roll their eyes and focus on what his show is actually about- interesting interviews.

I didn't get the impression Young was sticking it to Spotify, rather virtue signaling about Rogan's anti vax position. Who gives a shit what you think, old man. Fuck up and sing your songs!

[mickO)))]

It seems he is being influenced by the media portrayal of Joe Rogan, because he hasn't given any concrete examples of 'misinformation'.

Plenty of concrete examples were given in another open letter to Spotify signed by a couple hundred scientists about a week ago. Could be that this got Young's attention. There has been certainly absolutely no lack of Rogan talking shit about, first COVID then the vaccine, over the last two years. If you want examples, they're easy to find. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, wha'!

First they said it was 270 doctors signed the open the letter. Then it was discoverd that only 87 of them were actual doctors the rest were PHD students, veterinaries and one was even a podcast host 

More likely Young got a nice little cash injection for this little tantrum. Great to see it backfiring on him.

[mickO)))]

I don't know how people have managed to turn this into Neil Young trying to 'censor' Joe Rogan, he just doesn't want his music on the same platform as the shite Rogan peddles.

Neil Young survived polio when he was a kid, he lived because of a vaccine, if he doesn't want to share a platform with a guy who gets paid 100's of millions to tell morons a horse dewormer can be used to treat covid, then that's up to him.

Young asked for Joe to be removed or he was leaving the platform that is censorship no matter what way you spin it.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

First they said it was 270 doctors signed the open the letter. Then it was discoverd that only 87 of them were actual doctors the rest were PHD students, veterinaries and one was even a podcast host 

I think possibly you mean that only 87 of them were Medical Doctors. Many more of them are PhD holding professors or associate professors of things like epidemiology and immunology for which an MD qualification is not required. How many cackling lol emojis does that explainer buy me??
https://spotifyopenletter.wordpress.com/2022/01/10/an-open-letter-to-spotify/

I don't even agree with everything they said, or how they've said it, but the letter does sum up pretty much everything someone could have found objectionable in Rogan's podcasts over the last couple of years.

More likely Young got a nice little cash injection for this little tantrum. Great to see it backfiring on him.

An (imagined) cash injection from who? And how has it backfired on him? Even adopting the most cynical view possible, people have been talking about and sharing more Neil Young music over the last two days than over the previous two years.

[mickO)))]

First they said it was 270 doctors signed the open the letter. Then it was discoverd that only 87 of them were actual doctors the rest were PHD students, veterinaries and one was even a podcast host 

I think possibly you mean that only 87 of them were Medical Doctors. Many more of them are PhD holding professors or associate professors of things like epidemiology and immunology for which an MD qualification is not required. How many cackling lol emojis does that explainer buy me??
https://spotifyopenletter.wordpress.com/2022/01/10/an-open-letter-to-spotify/

I don't even agree with everything they said, or how they've said it, but the letter does sum up pretty much everything someone could have found objectionable in Rogan's podcasts over the last couple of years.

More likely Young got a nice little cash injection for this little tantrum. Great to see it backfiring on him.

An (imagined) cash injection from who? And how has it backfired on him? Even adopting the most cynical view possible, people have been talking about and sharing more Neil Young music over the last two days than over the previous two years.

The news headline for the letter a few weeks ago was spun in a way that 270 top doctors were calling him out for misinformation which is not the case.

It has backfired because Young has been removed from the platform and Joe is still there. I have said on here before I am not Joes biggest fan he has said a lot of things I disagree with in the past on a wide range of topics including MMA.

If all Joe is spreading is misinformation then why does he need to be censored? Are people not able to make up their own minds on things anymore? If the science we are getting from the experts contradicts what Joe and others who have been censored are saying would it not make more sense to just leave them be and let them dig their own graves? 

As for the cash injection sorry I misspoke it wouldn't be like big pharma to do anything underhand now would it.

Spotify will most likely never get rid of Joe as I am sure his contract is ironclad since I would imagine he anticipated issues like this coming up once he moved over.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

For all their scientific qualifications, I think the signers of that letter were possibly naive enough to think Spotify might do something about Rogan. Personally, I don't at all think that Neil Young, with all his decades of experience of the cuntery of the music industry, expected them to do anything other than what they have done.

[son of the Morrigan]

The best joke Joe Rogan ever came up with is calling himself a comedian, he's about as funny as getting yer cock caught in a vice.
Anyone that would pay any heed to anything the cunt has to say is an even bigger gobshite than he is.

[Eoin McLove]

I agree. His comedy is awful. But he has his strengths none the less.

[Carnage]

He's an idiot.

I see Joni Mitchell has also pulled her stuff off Spotify. I doubt that many Spotify users have ever heard of her TBH. Spotify's market value dropped by 4 billion overnight, apparently.