Are we all fucked?

[astfgyl]

Was reading there that a single container ship creates the same level of emissions in a year as 50 million cars. Seems like something worth looking at while on the quest for carbon neutrality. How would one solve something like that? Solar powered ships? I was initially thinking maybe buying local (EU in our case) products, but that probably wouldn't work because of the diversity of materials used in pretty much everything and the worldwide trade network needed to facilitate that. How to balance progress with the need to reel it all back in a lot is a real conundrum. Anyway the point being that while we all individually reduce our footprint like good little global citizens, the real elephants in the room such as global trade are possibly not being addressed with the same gusto, and the more things change the more they stay the same in so many ways. Aside from giving out about it though, what solutions have any of you came across for such a thing?

[livingabortion]

I was thinking about it lately as we get a good bit of advertisement material in the door and that creates a lot waste as well as having to use the paper and other resources to create it in the first place. Then with that you have all the server farms and the power and other resources to keep that running too.
I know not everyone has an internet connection but surely it could be looked at the different demographics, to try and lessen the amount of physical advertisements produced to cut down on waste as I just looking online if I want something and I sure millions of others would be the same. On the other hand it cuts out jobs for people so it's hard to say too.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Images don't get much more apocalyptically foreboding than an oil-fuelled furnace seething at the surface of the Gulf of Mexico:
https://twitter.com/MLopezSanMartin/status/1411059695503261697

[Blackout]

Carbon taxes will curtail them fires.

[livingabortion]

It's mad seeing a fire burning on water.

[Eoin McLove]

I think it's great. We have been waiting for too long to see this type of thing. They should leave it burning and turn it into a tourist attraction.

[astfgyl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGKkXaMfai4

Don't forget Klaus' stark warning and also don't forget the Cyber Polygon exercise the the WEF are running in the next few days. I expect it will be much like the Coronavirus Pandemic exercise that was ran right before the current pandemic situation, which was called Event 201. Amazing foresight from Klaus and the lads every time!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57703836

[astfgyl]

This sounds fairly ominous

https://english.elpais.com/spain/2021-07-06/spain-drafts-bill-allowing-state-to-mobilize-all-adults-in-times-of-crisis.html

I wonder if it will pass and what do any of the Spanish contingent on here make of it?

[astfgyl]

And how do we like the idea of the union of state and private business? Well let's be fair that is how it's done anyway through lobbying, but this U.K. chap wants to make a thing of it officially.

Can't think what that puts me in mind of exactly.. it feels like the rebranding of some old idea.. Italy maybe comes to mind I dunno

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/57334fbc-e34d-11eb-a821-58982b1c936d

[astfgyl]

Are you all ready for the "wobbling moon".  Every 18.6 years apparently, so must of us have experienced it a couple of times. For the record, I'm calling bullshit right now.

And I'm calling climate lockdowns and hard surveillance of personal activities right now, too.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/07/14/wobbling-moon-will-cause-devastating-worldwide-flooding-2030s/

This is the beginning of some hard, hard bullshit.

[The Butcher]

Was reading there that a single container ship creates the same level of emissions in a year as 50 million cars.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/28469/carnival-cruise-ship-fleet-pollutes-almost-10-times-more-than-all-cars-in-europe-study

The fuel ships use is bunker oil, very dirty ->
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil

Transport & Environment estimated that about 50,000 people a year in Europe die prematurely because of pollution from the shipping sector as a whole. This primarily affects people who live in harbour cities.

"reviewed the emissions of 77 cruise ships (almost the entire fleet in European waters), concluding that only one of them, AIDAnova, was not powered by highly polluting heavy fuel, but relatively 'clean' liquefied natural gas (LGN), which reduces NOx and particulate emissions by about 80%. However, even though shifting all cruise ships to LGN would be very beneficial to human health, LGN also contains methane, which is a very potent greenhouse gas and would increase global warming significantly."

So basically 50k die from pollution from that but don't dare convert it to gas because global warming, it might kill someone  :

[astfgyl]

Was reading there that a single container ship creates the same level of emissions in a year as 50 million cars.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/28469/carnival-cruise-ship-fleet-pollutes-almost-10-times-more-than-all-cars-in-europe-study

The fuel ships use is bunker oil, very dirty ->
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil

Transport & Environment estimated that about 50,000 people a year in Europe die prematurely because of pollution from the shipping sector as a whole. This primarily affects people who live in harbour cities.

"reviewed the emissions of 77 cruise ships (almost the entire fleet in European waters), concluding that only one of them, AIDAnova, was not powered by highly polluting heavy fuel, but relatively 'clean' liquefied natural gas (LGN), which reduces NOx and particulate emissions by about 80%. However, even though shifting all cruise ships to LGN would be very beneficial to human health, LGN also contains methane, which is a very potent greenhouse gas and would increase global warming significantly."

So basically 50k die from pollution from that but don't dare convert it to gas because global warming, it might kill someone  :

I didn't know that in such detail but it certainly highlights why we are all fucked. It's the sort of crazy logic-that-defies-all-known-forms-of-logic and it defines the modern era.

We are all fucked.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Are you all ready for the "wobbling moon".  Every 18.6 years apparently, so must of us have experienced it a couple of times. For the record, I'm calling bullshit right now.

And I'm calling climate lockdowns and hard surveillance of personal activities right now, too.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/07/14/wobbling-moon-will-cause-devastating-worldwide-flooding-2030s/

This is the beginning of some hard, hard bullshit.

One of the authors lamenting how the media have latched onto the "moon wobble" aspect of the paper:
https://twitter.com/bhamlington/status/1415848899701481472

Despite best efforts, unfortunate that the "moon wobble" has become the narrative in many places as opposed to the impact of the combined drivers, including global warming.

[Kurt Cocaine]

Moon Wobble tax imminent.

[The Butcher]

I didn't know that in such detail but it certainly highlights why we are all fucked. It's the sort of crazy logic-that-defies-all-known-forms-of-logic and it defines the modern era.

We are all fucked.

You would think it would be quite obvious to use gas when you can't use solar/wind etc as its the cleanest fossil fuel. Even if it's just for transport that batteries can't replace.

I dislike a lot of greenie ideas that go beyond pollution control like how they'd prefer everyone living to work in apartments with no cars etc - in the western world this turns into tenements - rent slaves - tin canned apartments - coffin beds etc.
There are a few things that just did it for me with the green movement - One was that there are literally millions of deaths from pollution a year but no let's focus on co2, there is climate change,  absolutely but check out the ipcc reports themselves ->

The telling things are a) the change since reliable records - They give an estimate with large error margins and this is for KNOWN data. How the f#@k do they make a prediction when they aren't sure of what's happened?!

B) Their predictions are shite , again with big error bands - Also even their own models say that a certain amount of warming is natural

People jump on climate change to blame everything but we've built out our towns and cities,  increased farmland, terraformed, that all has an impact on drainage, rainfall generated, albedo shifts and temperature.

And population is something nobody wants to talk about, our native populations are decreasing but we have massive migration across the western world preventing it from dropping and then there is the 3rd world dilemma, bit like Brazil and the rainforest, they'll use fossil fuels to fight poverty because they've got bigger day to day problems...do we penalise them for that? Europe cleared its forests, Brazil doing the same
Maybe if it was the other way around the forests of Europe would have been called the lungs of the world instead of the Amazon rainforest. Just pointing out the hypocrisy there as the greens are full of it.