Are we all fucked?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Hence the call for the average punter to be better informed. The difficult balance is to do so without guilt-tripping said punter rather than poking where it really counts.

[Yung Led Zeppelin]

If "this is a highly unusual pattern for our climate and is cause for concern" can be interpreted as a guilt trip by the punter that is squarely a punter issue and can't be reconciled by anyone but the individual themselves wising up.

Another fucking moronic comment I saw in this vein RE ocean temperatures being 4 to 5 degrees C above normal (!!!!) in the North Atlantic currently was "well you have that shown in red on your graph to scare people but most people would actually find it freezing if they jumped in the water so it's not extreme".

This is the level of discourse/understanding we're dealing with, so yeah, we're beyond fucked.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I know what you mean, but have there been, for example, any significant improvements in public transport in Ireland recently?

The most recent Greenpeace survey of European capital cities ranked Dublin 30th out of 30 for public transport accessibility, etc.
https://greenpeace.at/uploads/2023/05/report-climate-and-public-transport-tickets-in-europe.pdf
(see page 15)

In those circumstances, though we can at the same time wish for the average punter to thicken their hide with respect to accurate descriptions of reality like you quoted "highly unusual pattern for our climate and is cause for concern", it's also a bit more understandable why they feel like they are being guilt-tripped, in the sense that more or less explicit pressure is being put upon them to change their behavior yet at the same time almost nothing is being done at the institutional or industrial level to facilitate such change.

[Caomhaoin]

If "this is a highly unusual pattern for our climate and is cause for concern" can be interpreted as a guilt trip by the punter that is squarely a punter issue and can't be reconciled by anyone but the individual themselves wising up.

Another fucking moronic comment I saw in this vein RE ocean temperatures being 4 to 5 degrees C above normal (!!!!) in the North Atlantic currently was "well you have that shown in red on your graph to scare people but most people would actually find it freezing if they jumped in the water so it's not extreme".

This is the level of discourse/understanding we're dealing with, so yeah, we're beyond fucked.

Nah, I'll leave it.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Interesting Twitter thread here summing up the massive headway China is making in the sphere of renewable energy reliance. They are flying ahead of "western" nations:
https://twitter.com/KyleTrainEmoji/status/1680243524124516352

[astfgyl]

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-irishindependent-idUSL1N2Z11JB

    

[astfgyl]

https://twitter.com/Andercot/status/1686215574177841152?t=Amzkkfmmh4JBcHdP4Dj7Cg&s=19

Lk-99 room temperature superconductor supposedly. Would be really cool if it worked but I see there's a lot of videos debunking it already. Hopefully it is something anyway, I feel we'd be less fucked in a lot of ways

[jobrok1]

Nah!.... Not a fucking clue. 

[The Butcher]

Anyone getting climate boiled yet?

[hellfire]

Global boiling was a level of hystreonic twaddle that's embarrassing even by the pitiful standards of the Irish media.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Irish media? Was it not the UN secretary general who said it? Stupid thing to say whoever it was.

In any case, since "global boiling" has made me think of hot water, and then hot seas, here's a very interesting piece of science news from last week re the spike in sea temperatures:
https://www.science.org/content/article/changing-clouds-unforeseen-test-geoengineering-fueling-record-ocean-warmth

researchers are now waking up to another factor, one that could be filed under the category of unintended consequences: disappearing clouds known as ship tracks. Regulations imposed in 2020 by the United Nations's International Maritime Organization (IMO) have cut ships' sulfur pollution by more than 80% and improved air quality worldwide. The reduction has also lessened the effect of sulfate particles in seeding and brightening the distinctive low-lying, reflective clouds that follow in the wake of ships and help cool the planet.

So far as I know this hasn't really been featured on mainstream news sites, but please don't do a "They're hiding it!" because Science is the most renowned and prestigious venue for novel research on the planet, and it's also been covered by at least one of the biggest science popularizers on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk8pwE3IByg

[The Butcher]

In any case, since "global boiling" has made me think of hot water, and then hot seas, here's a very interesting piece of science news from last week re the spike in sea temperatures:
https://www.science.org/content/article/changing-clouds-unforeseen-test-geoengineering-fueling-record-ocean-warmth


So far as I know this hasn't really been featured on mainstream news sites, but please don't do a "They're hiding it!" because Science is the most renowned and prestigious venue for novel research on the planet, and it's also been covered by at least one of the biggest science popularizers on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk8pwE3IByg

It's plausible re: the sulphur emissions - but do you really believe you can draw a straight line from reduced sulphur emissions to the 2023 temperature spike? It's way more complicated than that, and even if it weren't, it couldn't move that fast. For example:
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-how-low-sulphur-shipping-rules-are-affecting-global-warming/

I love at the end of that video he then goes on to promote coffee that is "shipped" from Columbia 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I don't believe you can draw a "straight line" between essentially any two real-world variables, no matter what they are

All I said to accompany the links was that this news is interesting. And it is, it has all sorts of interesting implications for future research and action as well as public reception of climate science. I didn't actually watch all of the video, but enough to hear that he at least mentions other contributing factors, e.g. a significant drop in Saharan dust in the atmosphere this year, also mentioned in the Science article and in the article you've shared too (also v. interesting, thanks). Empirically working through all potential causal contributors to the spike is going to throw up things which, for the moment, are unknowns. One such eventuality is that the "final" data may require revision of things like our estimates of the magnitude and time-frame of SO2 decrease-related warming boosts. Do I "really believe" that will happen? No. But more importantly, do I also really not believe it will happen? Also no

[The Butcher]

That's all fine and I didn't mean to say YOU were drawing the straight line to both points, more so that video (you of all people like to point out the general gist that is given off with any misleading video etc) and 90% of the comments are as follows:

"Totally mindblowing that we were accidentally shielding ourselves from the effects of climate change by ... accidentally doing more climate change that we didn't fully understand."

"The cloud thing caused by the ships is INSANE and then inadvertently causing this spike in temperature is also insane "

"This has me more optimistic about our ability to fix this than any of the news we have had in years"

And from the link I posted it's predicted a 0.045c warming boost over decades regards the sulfur pollution reduction (probably one of the reasons it's not mainstream, perhaps I'm giving the mainstream too much credit there  ). I would take that predicted increase that over the few million premature deaths linked to air pollution around ships etc. Skin deep warming in patches too - average ocean depth is about 3.6km.

The point is - a lot of people watching that video and/or reading those articles think this links directly to the temp spike this year and it's an easy fix, he may mention those other factors in passing but it's not the main gist of the video and most of the comments back that up.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I get it, I shouldn't have posted the video, just the Science article! 

We'll have to wait and see. There's only a month between your Carbon Brief one and the Science one, but the latter is already citing studies that weren't yet complete the month previous. Very much a work in progress, or as that article concludes:

After a few more years, Wood says, "We're really going to have something to say about these cloud adjustments."