Random Thoughts

[ochoill]

That's how I saw it, it goes from a state obligation (albeit to women only) on care but instead want to replace it with a general strive to support all types of carers. Leo came out in a video there recently saying he doesn't think it's the states responsibility to look after the elderly in terms of care type work. He suggested he'd look after his sisters kids if something happened to them or his parents. What about people with no siblings? Or people not on over 200k like himself. True intentions shown that the government and others do not want to provide this as our generations eventually become a big aging demographic, they only see the big cost coming down the tracks.

I agree a lot of the wording is archaic but I'm definitely not happy replacing it with either weak or vague language that many lawyers will have a field day with.

I saw the very same video and it was basically strike three for me changing my vote.  I would love to update it but absolutely not to remove the obligations of care the state already has in place.

[astfgyl]

Ah yeah lads, but what about

https://twitter.com/FineGael/status/1765776827950280805?t=yO0Dz2RiPVRvP5MNMzMuRw&s=19

[astfgyl]

I don't agree with this:

A yes vote to something that nobody understands is simply confirmation that you are willing to outsource your thinking, ie a soft intellect.

This is a combination of no true Scotsman (you are a master at that hiy I spot it regularly) and slight gish.  It isn't that nobody understands it - it is that nobody can clearly see an outcome on the change.  They are two separate things no matter how you correlate them yourself.  "Outsourcing your thinking" is a fool of a phrase.  I am absolutely not the smartest chap going and I am happy to admit that, to take help and accept discussion on topics like these.  I won't ever be ashamed of that because it is the only way I can understand them.  I'm not an island of political ingenuity by any means.  I saw no negative outcome, I had it clearly explained from a stance I could get behind and changed my view.  The only other arguments I saw for voting no are "you don't know what they have planned for you" (with nobody even able to suggest an idea when pushed) or from a more religious conservative perspective of how it will change the nuclear family (which I completely avoid, full separation of church and state for me thanks).

In any case, my own views on the yes vote being harmless or beneficial were proven wrong on the second vote but not the first.  That ditch article gives me less faith but means I have some more reading and thinking to do.

No it definitely means that nobody understands it, however you dress it up. I sit around the breakfast table at work every morning with people who watch rte every night and they have absolutely outsourced their thinking on it. An argument I heard for voting Yes this morning was that if we don't change it now, to this vague shit that nobody understands then we might not get the chance to change it again for a long time.

I stand by my statement and won't be accepting the Scotsman on this one.

Besides, it won't apply to you now 

[astfgyl]

Came across this on twitter earlier



I wonder did it even cross her mind

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It did, she said a whole thing about it before performing the song. Which I know because you posted this and so I looked it up 

[hellfire]

Really trying to motivate myself to head down to the polling place at lunchtime. My hatred of the current government are all I've got to propel me.

[son of the Morrigan]

It just occurred to me that there are people voting to change the constitution today who think if a man puts on a dress he magically becomes a woman.
It put a shiver down my spine.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

This morning I saw Irish people who'll be voting approvingly share a tiktok of Katie Hopkins, of all the feckin' Brit gowls, spouting uninformed shite about the workings of both the US (yeah, I dunno either, but it's what she did) and Irish constitutions. Shivers down the spine indeed. Especially as I don't have to exaggerate the reality of these people to make my point 

[astfgyl]

It did, she said a whole thing about it before performing the song. Which I know because you posted this and so I looked it up 

Awkward one all the same. I read a few of the comments after about her saying her piece

[astfgyl]

This morning I saw Irish people who'll be voting approvingly share a tiktok of Katie Hopkins, of all the feckin' Brit gowls, spouting uninformed shite about the workings of both the US (yeah, I dunno either, but it's what she did) and Irish constitutions. Shivers down the spine indeed. Especially as I don't have to exaggerate the reality of these people to make my point 

There's been bull from both sides but one might think it wouldn't come from the government. Yet it did.

[son of the Morrigan]

This morning I saw Irish people who'll be voting approvingly share a tiktok of Katie Hopkins, of all the feckin' Brit gowls, spouting uninformed shite about the workings of both the US (yeah, I dunno either, but it's what she did) and Irish constitutions. Shivers down the spine indeed. Especially as I don't have to exaggerate the reality of these people to make my point 

Were ya anally rogering a tranny at the time?
Did it feel "transgressive"?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

There's been bull from both sides but one might think it wouldn't come from the government.

What? Who exactly would be thinking bull wouldn't come from the government?? What an odd thing to say.

[Ollkiller]

It just occurred to me that there are people voting to change the constitution today who think if a man puts on a dress he magically becomes a woman.
It put a shiver down my spine.

Get out and enjoy life and stop getting triggered by shite that never really affects you.

[astfgyl]

There's been bull from both sides but one might think it wouldn't come from the government.

What? Who exactly would be thinking bull wouldn't come from the government?? What an odd thing to say.

At least to the extent that they could maybe argue that it wasn't, but this time they went all in without a care for being caught out.

[Giggles]

I know some of yous like Jordan Peterson and some of yous don't. I think this 8 min speech about globalisation is worth watching, it doesn't really have anything to do with his past comments/behaviours: