The production values on Follow the Leader are actually really good. There's a lot going on with layers of guitars and effects/ keyboard.  Conceptually it is hard to get on board with much of that stuff these days as the angst is aimed at teenage minds (unlike the highly sophisticated satanic guff I still listen to too much of  :P ). I think in fairness to em, Korn were a lot more sophisticated musically than many of their peers. That said, I still haven't revisited them since the 90s. They were very unique and original when they came out, though. Even when you put them beside the likes of RATM who had many similarities.

I was just too late for it all really, Korn's debut came out not long after I'd done my Leaving Cert. so I was still fairly immature then, but just getting over the teen angst phase. Enjoyed a few of their albums nonetheless but when Untouchables came along I lost interest. I saw them on that tour and they weren't the best, whereas between the firat two albums they were might live.

I doubt I could sit through an album nowadays, definitely not Life Is Peachy, which was shite then.

I throw on a bit of Korn every now and then but I don't go past Issues. It's grand if I'm in the mood for it but it obviously made more of an impression when I was about 14 or 15 even though I couldn't exactly relate to parental angst having grown up in a completely normal house.

I suppose it could be thought of like any other genre really, like how many shit thrash and death and black metal bands are there? It doesn't mean the whole idea is bad, it just means a lot of it was record company pushed and very poorly executed is all

#213 March 27, 2025, 07:49:36 PM Last Edit: March 27, 2025, 09:36:17 PM by The Heretic
Being in my mid 20s when nu metal first kicked in I hated every minute of it all and could not for the life of me get into it. At the sane time a few younger metalheads I knew at the time thought it was the best thing ever.

I was maybe 13 when Korn and Deftones came on the scene, so ripe for the picking  :laugh:

Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 26, 2025, 10:19:57 PMthe angst is aimed at teenage minds (unlike the highly sophisticated satanic guff I still listen to too much of  :P ).

 :laugh: lyrically I always saw nu-metal as the next dumbed down step post grunge. So many vocalists suffocating, drowning, sick or diseased  :laugh:  :laugh: something was in the water in the late 90s.

I think my first taste of nu metal was Headbangers Ball and Vanessa Warwick pissing herself with excitement about a new bank called Korn and their single Blind, I thought right this should be interesting, and within a minute I knew it wasn't for me. I think the only thing I ever enjoyed in the whole nu metal era was a song that Korn release called "Right Now" but I think that also had a lot to do with the fucked up but entertaining video.

Now this is from an ardent fan of 80's glam metal so I'm well used to having people shitting on genres I like, they don't get glam, I don't get nu metal, pools panel - score draw

First cd I ever owned was the first Korn album. I still have a lot of time for the first 3 albums but by 1999 I had moved onto other things.

Never cared for Korn, but they definitely had a good rhythm section. That slap/muting thing going on with the bass is pretty cool.

Nu-metal was everything that I fucking hated in music replacing all that I loved. So much of the music which went before it was based around social or political insight, a sense of looking out at the world and fighting for it to be better. The relentlessly gimpy look-at-me-I'm-so-sad introspection was, and remains, cringe-inducing. Grown men of the same age as me, or even a little older, whining about how hard it is to be a teenager, jaysus wept. It was dumbed-down lyrics over dumbed-down music and just wasn't for me. Now we live in the look-at-me age, relentless attention seeking about how wonderful/hard your life is. Fuck it. Even though I'll most likely die sooner, I feel sorry for those for whom this shit was the soundtrack to your life. It's not your fault, but you really missed a gift by not being born in the 70's  :laugh:  :abbath:

Ah most of it is shite tbf but some of it is not bad. Again, I'd liken it to most other things in that there's a lot of copycat things that come in the wake of any new sound

I remember getting into the obvious bands (Metallica, Maiden, Slayer, etc). and then been served up nothing but nu. Had a moment of "oh shit, maybe those bands are a fluke and metal isn't for me"l because this stuff is cack".

Saw Carcass, SYL, and Napalm Death on a 15 minute slot on Headbangers' Ball and they saved the day for me.

I always listened to the nu stuff alongside older DM and Thrash stuff. Basically a distorted guitar was enough for me to chance something but that was very much a buyer beware time as well, where only an odd song could be heard on the Terrorizer or Metal Hammer cds and I'd have to go off that and simply take a chance on things otherwise. During the nu era, I got fuckin roasted multiple times due to the sheer amount of shit thrown at the wall

Quote from: astfgyl on March 29, 2025, 12:39:29 PMI always listened to the nu stuff alongside older DM and Thrash stuff. Basically a distorted guitar was enough for me to chance something but that was very much a buyer beware time as well, where only an odd song could be heard on the Terrorizer or Metal Hammer cds and I'd have to go off that and simply take a chance on things otherwise. During the nu era, I got fuckin roasted multiple times due to the sheer amount of shit thrown at the wall

Think everyone who was a teen in the 90s bought something shite off the back of free with this week's issue CD.
All part of growing up.