Cradle of Filth up to Midian fucking rules.

[Eoin McLove]

Never understood the appeal, a cool song here and there but always felt like it was all about the tshirts. Cruelty had a lot of hype but I just thought it sounded like nonsense. I do like Dani's high screams though, always thought they would be class over some grind. Their cover of Hallowed be thy Name is great

Dusk is their pinnacle. Cruelty was disappointing in its wake. I remember thinking the production on Cruelty lacked the depth, lushness and Gothic atmosphere of Dusk; it seemed thinner and cheaper to me. And then the photo shoots with the lads at the beach and the dude surfing in the band photo on the inlay just killed the vibe.

[Pagan Saviour]

It does seem the band members can work other jobs, just not with other bands

That's super restrictive though. How could they in all honesty find work that allows them to tour at the calling of Dani.

Davy gets in comparison

I'd say he does ok. Merch and Royalties are his I would imagine. I'm sure the hired goons arrangement for writing is a similarly low ball affair. I'm gonna say he clears at least €150k a year, merch royalties, streaming, touring.

[The Butcher]

Randy Blythe claimed his income was $200,000 dollars during that trial in Prague just for reference. Also didn't Devin Townsend say that he makes about $60,000 a year. So 150k would be a good shout. Anyway, more puns are needed 

Lord Extortion
From the Cradle to No Pay

[Pagan Saviour]

Contract torn asunder

[Carnage]

Her P45 In The Post.

His voice is absolutely the worst thing about them, they're capable of putting out a few tunes but that screech is atrocious.

[jpm4]

Better to reign in the dole queue.

[Pagan Saviour]

Ah I still think the first four or so are classics

[Polaris]

It does seem the band members can work other jobs, just not with other bands

That's super restrictive though. How could they in all honesty find work that allows them to tour at the calling of Dani.

I'd agree it's restrictive, but from his point of view replacing members or finding new members with approaching tour dates must be difficult and a stress. They'd see it better just restricting the contract and, if necessary, threaten there are enough talented and desperate musicians who would jump at the chance. I recall Hamish (I think his name was) from My Dying Bride was fired for something similar: he had already booked a tour with the Paradise Lost's guy's side project. I haven't really heard anything from him since, as per almost every ex-CoF member. Real race to the bottom stuff.   

Yeah, Devin Townsend said he makes about that much although I recall the number being a bit higher - maybe 90K, therefore kinda middle class. He also said the money going through his company can fluctuate wildly, which would make sense, and that makes me curious on what bonuses (if any) CoF were giving their members. Davy implies we're not getting the full truth and these bonuses alluded to in the contract might be what he's talking about - I can't actually think of any other way he's comes out of this looking good.

The fact the guitarist said he doesn't want some song released implies to me he didn't sign a contract for that work. 

Cruelty and the Breach

[Pentagrimes]

I'd guess given the turnover lil Dani has people in reserve at all times. Having someone be able to just fly in and play a whole set at zero notice seems so. I've paid zero attention to them for most of the last 30 years but even I know it's him and a bunch of hired hands.

Unconnected - Paul, was the person you refer to with the Jesus longsleeve Moggie?Remember going down to Cork for the first time when Iw as about 16 for a gig and it seemed like everyone down there had that longsleeve   I got the demos off either him or Quirkey

[Pagan Saviour]

There's a few bits and bobs being thrown around. One of the bonuses is for paid meet and greets but there's a line in the contract that says it's "paid at managements discretion"

Dani won't look good out of it but I don't think he'll care. And although it's not right a lot of bands operate like this. Megadeth must surely be one, though I'd imagine the abuse is more and so is the pay.


Similar in a hundred people must've passed through the ranks there, can't all be assholes

[Maggot Colony]

Thirteen Autumns and a Widow's Pension

[Maggot Colony]

Never understood the appeal, a cool song here and there but always felt like it was all about the tshirts. Cruelty had a lot of hype but I just thought it sounded like nonsense. I do like Dani's high screams though, always thought they would be class over some grind. Their cover of Hallowed be thy Name is great

Dusk is their pinnacle. Cruelty was disappointing in its wake. I remember thinking the production on Cruelty lacked the depth, lushness and Gothic atmosphere of Dusk; it seemed thinner and cheaper to me. And then the photo shoots with the lads at the beach and the dude surfing in the band photo on the inlay just killed the vibe.

There was a remix album from a few years ago which corrected the production issues. I was never a fan of the original mix but the new one is a huge improvement. It's called Cruelty and the Beast - Re-Mistressed

[Pagan Saviour]

Grab the popcorn lads this one is publishing emails now on her Instagram. Didn't realise Dez Fafara was managing Cradle - makes sense kinda!

Sample quote

"She's Bi-Polar, fire her and her husband if he wants to hang onto a dead horse"

[Paul keohane]

I'd guess given the turnover lil Dani has people in reserve at all times. Having someone be able to just fly in and play a whole set at zero notice seems so. I've paid zero attention to them for most of the last 30 years but even I know it's him and a bunch of hired hands.

Unconnected - Paul, was the person you refer to with the Jesus longsleeve Moggie?Remember going down to Cork for the first time when Iw as about 16 for a gig and it seemed like everyone down there had that longsleeve   I got the demos off either him or Quirkey

My buddie at the time was Mossy, I cant recall a moggie from back then! (Quirky definitely will im sure).But lots of heads in Cork had Cof merch after the first album came out.In our group alone in Carrigaline 5/6 had Cof shirts!

[Pentagrimes]

Could be the same guy-glasses?