Cradle of Filth up to Midian fucking rules.

[Eoin McLove]

All these cunts who join the carousel are upwardly mobile careerists. You think the contract is fucked, don't sign it! No sympathy for these eejits.

To clarify my point,  when a musician joins Cradle of Filth circa 2025, they aren't getting in at ground level with a promising enterprise and building it up with their own creativity. They are signing up to a well established institution with 30 plus years of history, one that has built up decades of fame and following. They are getting an instant leg-up, where they actually get paid a fee to be involved. It's a potential launchpad for their own worthless Bloodstock band. There's a contract you agree to when you sign up to this pyramid scheme and if it looks like shit, go jump in the van for ten years and do it the hard way.

Perhaps if you are going to contribute to the writing of new material you should have an additional contract written up to ensure you get your fair share of that particular pie, but what do these bums expect? A cut of Dusk...?

[Pagan Saviour]

All valid points I'd have little sympathy myself in some respects.

I just didn't expect the pay to be that shit - how is that a 25% increase - practically slave labour. I think it's the fact they're expected to write the stuff too and the allegations of toxic environment that blur things somewhat.


Though Dani is now posting a lot of contradictory stuff. Responding to shit slinging etc so who knows.

[Petardo]

This drama is the most entertaining COF release in years.

[The Heretic]

Bald men and comb comes to mind

[The Great Cull]

All these cunts who join the carousel are upwardly mobile careerists. You think the contract is fucked, don't sign it! No sympathy for these eejits.

To clarify my point,  when a musician joins Cradle of Filth circa 2025, they aren't getting in at ground level with a promising enterprise and building it up with their own creativity. They are signing up to a well established institution with 30 plus years of history, one that has built up decades of fame and following. They are getting an instant leg-up, where they actually get paid a fee to be involved. It's a potential launchpad for their own worthless Bloodstock band. There's a contract you agree to when you sign up to this pyramid scheme and if it looks like shit, go jump in the van for ten years and do it the hard way.

Perhaps if you are going to contribute to the writing of new material you should have an additional contract written up to ensure you get your fair share of that particular pie, but what do these bums expect? A cut of Dusk...?

This is spot on. People must be so blinded for their need for fame/recognition that they can't see the error in their ways of signing a contract and then publicly telling everyone how shit it is.

[Eoin McLove]

I hope Dani crushes these wimps under the Satanic might of his size 3 New Rocks.

[Paul keohane]

How many  £200 would you get in a year?,would you be called upon 80/90 days?
.Are you free to earn from other music/bands as long as it doesn't impact your COF commitments?

[Pagan Saviour]

Not allowed find other work

[Paul keohane]

 

Not allowed find other work

Ok it's a bit shit so; like I'd i always presumed anyone going in as a hired gun in an established band would be doing it it along with other work.

[Carnage]

I'd assume they thought that too. It's a shit contract but they signed it, neither side comes out of it looking good. Her husband got the sack since so you'd assume there was back and forth behind the scenes.

[Pagan Saviour]

Devils advocate

This is their new contract which they didn't sign. Maybe they thought after tenure served they'd be better off? Maybe promised something? Vivian Campbell swore blind dio promised partnership after three records. Similar craic with Deftones???

[Maggot Colony]

Dusk and Her Employment Terms
Gilded Contract
Forgive Me Father (I Have Signed)

[Carnage]

Devils advocate

This is their new contract which they didn't sign. Maybe they thought after tenure served they'd be better off? Maybe promised something?

A fair point which I overlooked. But you'd assume after ten years with the band the terms would improve? If so, then they'd signed a worse contract to begin with. Speculation I know, but logical.

[Polaris]

From a quick read of the contract, it's a lot worse and more onerous than I would've imagined. However, looking at the band's post-gig photos, their audiences are much smaller than I would've expected. I'd be more interested to see how much Davy gets in comparison. It does seem the band members can work other jobs, just not with other bands, and, on my reading, the members likely have a separate contract in relation to royalties and the label 'advance' that yer wan was complaining about initially, which is probably the biggest lump sum any member would be entitled to. Thinking about it from Davy and the managements point of view, it's possible the day-to-day payment is very low to stop the band going into the red, especially when touring, but each member might get substantial bonuses from profits. There are allusions to this in the contract. 

I'm not sure the band have two albums with the same line-up.     

[Barrytron]

Never understood the appeal, a cool song here and there but always felt like it was all about the tshirts. Cruelty had a lot of hype but I just thought it sounded like nonsense. I do like Dani's high screams though, always thought they would be class over some grind. Their cover of Hallowed be thy Name is great