The Tube.

[Emphyrio]

Do you really want a list of white actors who played famously non-white characters, including actual historical ones, in big cinema and TV productions over the years? Without anybody saying anything at the time? Apparently that was just dandy, and yet the same folks who would bend over backwards to defend blackface back in the day are the ones saying it's ludicrous for an elf, AN ELF, to be played by a non-white actor. Sorry, but there's no avenue along which you don't lose that debate flat out on precedent.

We get it. Elves aren't real. All that is being pointed out is that subject material is being changed to fill diversity quotas. Jesus, the tangents going on here.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It doesn't matter why subject material is changed. Subject material is always changed. What matters is whether the end product is good or bad. From Hell: subject matter changed, shite movie. Watchmen: subject matter changed, great movie. Did the respective reasons for changing the subject matter play a role? No. Grand. So there are black people in the new LOTR series. That's a given. Does it still have to be brought up at every step along the way? When the first pictures were released. OMG BLACK ELVES!!! When the first teaser was released. OMG BLACK ELVES!!! The first official trailer, which Kev posted. OMG BLACK ELVES!!! We gonna do this after every single episode too?

[Eoin McLove]

Hang on, they're not in every fuckin episode are they?

[Emphyrio]

It doesn't matter why subject material is changed. Subject material is always changed. What matters is whether the end product is good or bad. From Hell: subject matter changed, shite movie. Watchmen: subject matter changed, great movie. Did the respective reasons for changing the subject matter play a role? No. Grand. So there are black people in the new LOTR series. That's a given. Does it still have to be brought up at every step along the way? When the first pictures were released. OMG BLACK ELVES!!! When the first teaser was released. OMG BLACK ELVES!!! The first official trailer, which Kev posted. OMG BLACK ELVES!!! We gonna do this after every single episode too?

I disagree with your first sentence but that's your opinion so carry on. I haven't seen any of this hysteria you point to elsewhere and you seem to be in full-on rant mode so I'll leave you to it. I could entertain an argument but like others on here have realised, life is too short. Fair play to the other two martyrs though.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Hang on, they're not in every fuckin episode are they?

The whole thing is actually a blaxploitation take on Tolkien. Curtis Mayfield is handling the soundtrack and the real title is Superfly Sauron and the Rings of Black Power.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Tolkien described Elves as lithe, sinuous, tall and fair-skinned etc.

Also, this description from Tolkien is about the Eldar specifically, who are just one subdivision of all the Middle Earth elves. One might even hazard a guess that if Tolkien said it specifically of one group of them, it highlights that the other "races" of elves were not, in his mind, all like this. But, y'know, who knows! In any case, the black elf we see in the trailers is not an Eldar.

[astfgyl]

As I mentioned, if they got away with the pointy ears then anything else is fair game really. Why does no-one care about the ears?

[Caomhaoin]

Tolkien described Elves as lithe, sinuous, tall and fair-skinned etc.

Also, this description from Tolkien is about the Eldar specifically, who are just one subdivision of all the Middle Earth elves. One might even hazard a guess that if Tolkien said it specifically of one group of them, it highlights that the other "races" of elves were not, in his mind, all like this. But, y'know, who knows! In any case, the black elf we see in the trailers is not an Eldar.

Yeah but you are using your powers for Evil. Again.

[101_North]

Started The Old Man over the weekend. First few episodes were good but I think I've had enough! Episode 4 was one of the dullest hours of television I've watched in a while. The use of endless monologues over actual conversation is really grating. No action of any description since episode 2. Great cast but it's going quickly downhill with everything slowed down to the point that any early sense of urgency has well and truly gone!

[Emphyrio]

I finished it. It was good but the episodes really don't need to be an hour long.

Much better is Black Bird. Only a coupla eps to go. Your man is a grade A quality creep. Great show.

[jobrok1]

Yup!
The Old Man started off great but quickly ran out of steam.
Still worth the watch, though.

Two eps into Black Bird and enjoying it. That Egerton fella is pretty decent in it. He's kinda annoyed me in anything else I've seen him in.

[Necro Red]

Now up to date with Better Call Saul. Smashing stuff, such an entertaining show

[jobrok1]

This final season is excellent, to be fair. It was a long slog to get here though!

[Necro Red]

This final season is excellent, to be fair. It was a long slog to get here though!

yea, been a few years alright. I nearly dare say I prefer it over Breaking Bad. Thing I will revisit bad pretty soon

[mickO)))]

Saul is great much better than Breaking Bad. I didn't even know the new season out until I came across it last weekend. Only watched the first two episodes so far which I enjoyed.