Brexit

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Sad times for Britain's ancient and hallowed democracy, which dates all the way back to when Catholics in Northern Ireland got the vote in 1969.

https://twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/1167087479062781953

[Juggz]

Talk now of Boris calling a General Election to take place before 31st of October, good timing given Tony Blair has recently been talking about the Conservatives setting a trap for Labour with that very trick. This truly is the Greatest Show on Earth.

[Eoin McLove]

How is it a trap? Calling Corbyn's bluff or confident that the country will vote for Boris? I heard an expert on the radio mention it but didn't pick up the gist.  Surely there's every chance that Boris could be voted out so it's a risky strategy, or am I missing something?

[Juggz]

Blair is very much in the "This will be a total fucking disaster for our country" camp. By Brexit being implemented under Labour, they are responsible for it and doomed to be remembered for it.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I don't see how they could be doomed to be remembered for it even if it ends up being implemented under Labour when it's taken no less than three Tory Prime Ministers to take them this far into the shit storm, including Cameron for calling the referendum. Sure, the Tories may try to blame them for any fuck up, but I don't think that will play too well at any point in the near future (say, a generation's worth of time).

[Pedrito]

As predicted, Boris will call an election, be voted back in, and then there can be no way back. I'm hearing loads of logical arguments for and against Brexit and everything that surrounds it, but I think that's all going to go out the window now and the vote will take on a 'you didn't listen to us last time' air vs 'they lied to us about everything'. I expect the pro Brexit bunch to come out in droves and vote Johnson back in as a result.

Again, not saying that I agree with any of the above, it's better than any soap.

[Eoin McLove]

That seems like a ludicrous plan.  Johnson is trying to get voted out of a role he has hungered for for all of his career??

[Juggz]

Or, he could let Labour share some of the load for the shit-show, then blame them for tying Britain to the backstop and not delivering Brexit or for not agreeing a deal and delivering the no-deal catastrophe it seems we're destined to witness. Come the next election, after a few years of the consequences, he gets to say "I told you so" no matter which way it goes and waltz back in. Whatever about delivering Brexit, those who are associated with the aftermath appear to be supping from the oul poisoned chalice. All the promises and lies are going to be exposed very, very soon and you'd have to expect that is dawning on all but the most radical of Brexit fanatics.

[Pedrito]

Hmmmm, Labour won't get voted in. If anything they'll lose votes.

[Juggz]

The government is expected to table a motion to hold a general election on 14 October if it is defeated by MPs opposed to a no-deal Brexit on Tuesday. Boris Johnson said he did not want an election, but progress with the EU would be "impossible" if they won. Speaking outside No 10, Mr Johnson insisted that with MPs' backing, he would be able to achieve changes to the UK's current Brexit deal - negotiated by Theresa May and rejected three times in the Commons - at an EU summit on 17 October.

But he said if MPs voted to block no deal they would "plainly chop the legs out from under the UK position".

in other words, "If we can't threaten the EU with a chaotic departure which will damage both them and especially us, then we cannot try to force changes to the agreement we negotiated and... agreed with" 

I hope to fuck they leave this motion until after I get from work because it will make for great, great telly
https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Commons

[Pedrito]

The Blair insight is bang on the money. People would rather vote 'for Brexit' or moreso 'towards the Brexit end of the scale than vote for 'Corbyn'. I think Johnson might be the sneakiest, shrewdest cunt we've seen in a long, long time.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Since Blair at least!

[Pedrito]

Since Blair at least!

Definitely 

[Juggz]

I think Johnson might be the sneakiest, shrewdest cunt we've seen in a long, long time.

Undoubtedly. What has he ever done of note (in a good way) but he's fucking PM? 

Now the British government is saying all UK cars must display a "GB" sticker on the back of their car when driving in the EU after Brexit. This includes NI cars driving south of the border which, as NI is part of the UK but not GB, seems a little silly and, of course, has irked the Sinn Feiners up North.

[Juggz]

It's all kicking off. One Tory defector to the Lib Dems means there is no more majority. The bill ruling out no-deal in October is practically guaranteed. It all comes down to whether they can force an election now.

Conservative MP Ken Clarke says the PM has "an obvious strategy".

"He will set conditions that make no deal inevitable, he will make sure as much blame as possible is attached to the EU and this House for that consequence, and then as quickly as he can, he will fight a flag-raising election before the consequences of no deal become obvious," he says.

I cannot wait to get home and get this on the telly