Moslems: European Tour 2020

[Kurt Cocaine]

But these people out shopping, having a coffee/drink and going to work totally deserve to be shot, stabbed and BEHEADED because they are responsible (as Westerners) for all the wrongs in the Middle East

Exactly. In just the same way that all those people at or walking home from mosque, in a shisha bar, or in school deserved to be shot, exploded and KILLED BY SWORD because they are responsible (as Muslims) for all the wrongs in the decline of the West! All hail Alexandre Bissonnette, Tobias Rathjen, Brenton Harrison Tarrant, Anders Behring Breivik, Anton Lundin Pettersson, Craig Hicks, Oscar Morel... but let's not rest on our laurels at 152! Lot's done, more to do, eh?

Nigga, Moslems hate you. They hate your weak ass soy arms and want to kill you and your man bag ways. Try not to feel too sorry for them, for they will never reciprocate those nurturing feelings towards you. Infidel.... 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Exactly. In just the same way that all those people at or walking home from mosque, in a shisha bar, or in school deserved to be shot, exploded and KILLED BY SWORD because they are responsible (as Muslims) for all the wrongs in the decline of the West! All hail Alexandre Bissonnette, Tobias Rathjen, Brenton Harrison Tarrant, Anders Behring Breivik, Anton Lundin Pettersson, Craig Hicks, Oscar Morel... but let's not rest on our laurels at 152! Lot's done, more to do, eh?

I think you'll agree that 'terrorist' attacks are overwhelming carried out by Jihadis.

There are more Islamist than Islamophobic attacks, yes, even limiting to only the western world (since most 'Islamist' attacks have nothing to do with 'the west' at all, contrary to the OP's clichés). But, all things considered - historically, politically, ideologically, etc. -, the extent of Islamophobic attacks is more shocking to me personally. It should put to bed the idea that 'Islam', per se, is the preponderant cause of murderous tendencies. In similar socio-historico-economic circumstances, but minus Islam, I don't think we should expect less radicalism. Sure look at the 'RA and the provos! Fair few folk out for walks or pints blown to kingdom come off the back of that, and not an Allahu'Akbar to be heard. Though at least half of them would have identified as British, so I guess they had it coming to them for their tacit endorsement of Imperial Britain and all its crimes. Or no? I dunno, but that's how the story went back then too; same logic but with different ornamentation.

[Bigmac]

Watched this last night and it kind of fits here, towards the end it goes into some of the issues around migration, Islam etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toft6H11-a0&ab_channel=KeithWoods

[Ollkiller]

I think you'll agree that 'terrorist' attacks are overwhelming carried out by Jihadis.

It would seem so.

This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

Versus

This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_right-wing_terrorist_attacks

Be interesting if they had IRA terrorist attacks as well just to compare.

[Ollkiller]

Exactly. In just the same way that all those people at or walking home from mosque, in a shisha bar, or in school deserved to be shot, exploded and KILLED BY SWORD because they are responsible (as Muslims) for all the wrongs in the decline of the West! All hail Alexandre Bissonnette, Tobias Rathjen, Brenton Harrison Tarrant, Anders Behring Breivik, Anton Lundin Pettersson, Craig Hicks, Oscar Morel... but let's not rest on our laurels at 152! Lot's done, more to do, eh?

I think you'll agree that 'terrorist' attacks are overwhelming carried out by Jihadis.

There are more Islamist than Islamophobic attacks, yes, even limiting to only the western world (since most 'Islamist' attacks have nothing to do with 'the west' at all, contrary to the OP's clichés). But, all things considered - historically, politically, ideologically, etc. -, the extent of Islamophobic attacks is more shocking to me personally. It should put to bed the idea that 'Islam', per se, is the preponderant cause of murderous tendencies. In similar socio-historico-economic circumstances, but minus Islam, I don't think we should expect less radicalism. Sure look at the 'RA and the provos! Fair few folk out for walks or pints blown to kingdom come off the back of that, and not an Allahu'Akbar to be heard. Though at least half of them would have identified as British, so I guess they had it coming to them for their tacit endorsement of Imperial Britain and all its crimes. Or no? I dunno, but that's how the story went back then too; same logic but with different ornamentation.

I always found that amusing. Britain invades Ireland, we attack them. Fair game. America and Britain invades country. They launch attacks. No that's bad. Bad people. Personally they're all sadistic murdering fucks.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I think you'll agree that 'terrorist' attacks are overwhelming carried out by Jihadis.

It would seem so.

This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

Versus

This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_right-wing_terrorist_attacks

Be interesting if they had IRA terrorist attacks as well just to compare.

Not to mention left-wing terrorist attacks, which were quite a popular thing in the 70s and 80s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism

Bit of a strange notion to reduce terrorism to either Islamist or right-wing tbh.

[Carnage]

Let's not forget the UVF if we're looking at local terrorists. Balance and all that.

[Trev]

I'd have thought radical Islam would be fairly to the right on the political spectrum anyway

[Bigmac]

Bit of a strange notion to reduce terrorism to either Islamist or right-wing tbh.

I wasn't, merely comparing the original scope of the post to your response

[Pedrito]

Exactly. In just the same way that all those people at or walking home from mosque, in a shisha bar, or in school deserved to be shot, exploded and KILLED BY SWORD because they are responsible (as Muslims) for all the wrongs in the decline of the West! All hail Alexandre Bissonnette, Tobias Rathjen, Brenton Harrison Tarrant, Anders Behring Breivik, Anton Lundin Pettersson, Craig Hicks, Oscar Morel... but let's not rest on our laurels at 152! Lot's done, more to do, eh?

I think you'll agree that 'terrorist' attacks are overwhelming carried out by Jihadis.

There are more Islamist than Islamophobic attacks, yes, even limiting to only the western world (since most 'Islamist' attacks have nothing to do with 'the west' at all, contrary to the OP's clichés). But, all things considered - historically, politically, ideologically, etc. -, the extent of Islamophobic attacks is more shocking to me personally. It should put to bed the idea that 'Islam', per se, is the preponderant cause of murderous tendencies. In similar socio-historico-economic circumstances, but minus Islam, I don't think we should expect less radicalism. Sure look at the 'RA and the provos! Fair few folk out for walks or pints blown to kingdom come off the back of that, and not an Allahu'Akbar to be heard. Though at least half of them would have identified as British, so I guess they had it coming to them for their tacit endorsement of Imperial Britain and all its crimes. Or no? I dunno, but that's how the story went back then too; same logic but with different ornamentation.

So this guy shot those people in Vienna why exactly? I get what you're saying but we could flip it. Do Americans kill more with guns beacuse they are socially deprived or whatever is the latest buzz word, or do they kill more because they have easy access to guns? Islam, in general, mightn't be the issue but it seems to be the umbrella under which these lunatics come out of the woodwork. Americans aren't any more or less violent than other countries you might say, but gun laws allow easier access to guns, hence more murders. Are guns bad? No. Is Islam bad? Not necessarily(though it's certainly not faultless or without major issues).

But both these overarching systems or rule sets or whatever way we might describe them allow for this type of activity to take place. They are conduits through which murder is taking place. Are deprived Buddhists or Hari Krishnas going around gunning people down in the street? Absolutely not. So, then the question is, what's the common denominator that is empowering these people?

[Caomhaoin]

Chris, why do you find Islamophobic attacks more shocking than Islamist outrages? Because they are less frequent? I don't get it.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Chris, why do you find Islamophobic attacks more shocking than Islamist outrages? Because they are less frequent? I don't get it.

I find the extent of Islamophobic attacks in the west more shocking than the extent of Islamist attacks in the west. I suppose I have an unconscious western bias myself; one would like to believe that violent Islamophobic attacks would be in some way less senseless, less indiscriminate, less cowardly, etc., than their "brain-washed" perpetrator counter-parts. So, as I said, that alone should put to bed the idea that 'Islam' is the preponderant factor.

And to flip your point back at you again Peter; you do find extremism even in Buddhism, given the right/wrong conditions. In fact, it's on the rise! In other words, even despite ideology that explicitly condemns violence (and sure look at Jesus' teachings!), murderous intent can be stirred and radicalization occur.

[Pedrito]

Why are we talking about Islamphobic attacks when in the last 2 weeks people's heads have been lopped off in France and a lad running around executing people last night in Vienna? I think we can all agree that the likes of Anders Breivik is a complete pscho asshole, but what's the point? He did it so it somehow cancels out the other thing? I think they can both be equally wrong. The solution, of course, is different though. How Islamic hate has bern allowed to fester and grow in Europe is a complete failure in terms of immigration policies, integration, education etc. It has been imported and through a complete lack of foresight it is now a major issue. The likes of Breivik is something 'home grown' and no less vile, but you can be sure that when Norwegians were asked what they thought of the attacks, the overwhelming majority were outraged and horrified which does not seem to be the case with Charlie Hedbo related murders for example. That's a major problem.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Why are we talking about Islamphobic attacks

Well, when the OP - not for the first time - turned his 'wit' to Islamophobia, I decided to remind us all that Islamophobia can be just as senselessly murderous as Islamism. It may surprise you - in fact, apparently it will - but the vast majority of Muslims actually are absolutely horrified and outraged by what the likes of Daesh do in both the middle east and in Europe, even if at the same time they are outraged by how, for example, they are discrimnated against by the French state. Blaming it on 'Islam' when shit like this happens is like blaming IRA murders on 'Christianity': totally off target, regardless of what condonements of violence can be found in the Quran or in the bible.

[Caomhaoin]

Most Muslims aren't terrorists but most terrorists are Muslim.