The Donald vs Big Tech

[astfgyl]

Wait now, what's the thing that's so wrong about removing illegals from a country exactly?

We seem to have gotten a bit lost there, do we?

They are fucking illegal. How is his getting rid of them a bad thing?

Other than that, what has he even said he'd do that's so bad? I think you just have the old trump derangement syndrome. There's many reasons to dislike the cunt but I don't see how his immigration stance is one of them

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Why are you back on immigration? We were just talking about his direct and quotable threat to withhold federal aid for the LA fires on the basis of a factual falsehood. That you have to keep leaping from topic to topic to defend your refusal to accept that MAGA is worse than both the DNC and the traditional GOP is not a good sign.

[Eoin McLove]

I can only imagine how insufferable punk lyrics have become since the emergence of Trump in politics. The idea of metal being polluted in the same way gives me the willies. Keep it Satan. Or if you insist on politics, Hitler 

[ldj]

Ah I'd disagree, metal is rebellious music, in times of increasing conservatism for the benefit of billionaires, I think there's absolutely room for it if done well (would cross into cringe territory very quickly if too referential to specific people). Certainly more metal than their right wing counterparts anyway  .

[astfgyl]

I would take Ministry as a cautionary tale regarding that sort of politics in the metal.

[astfgyl]

Why are you back on immigration? We were just talking about his direct and quotable threat to withhold federal aid for the LA fires on the basis of a factual falsehood. That you have to keep leaping from topic to topic to defend your refusal to accept that MAGA is worse than both the DNC and the traditional GOP is not a good sign.

Not a good sign of what? The first thing you said was about the inhumanity for the illegals. That was what I answered. If you're far enough gone to think one side is morally better than the other over there, well then best of luck to you with that.

A list of sponsors or top lobbyists would soon put paid to notions of one or the other being in any way actually good

[ldj]

Modern metal is too apathetic if anything, all the classics usually had something to say hidden within the metal tropes, what bands now actually have anything to say?

Funnily enough though, I was listening to Number of the Beast last night, and it struck me that if Maiden released Run to the Hills tomorrow they'd probably get lashed out of it for being woke or something  .

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I think you'll find you mentioned "the illegals", not me astfgyl. I am paying close enough attention to conclude that "one side" will lead to worse concrete consequences for more actual human beings than the other. It's not a question of abstract notions of morality.

[astfgyl]

I think you'll find you mentioned "the illegals", not me astfgyl. I am paying close enough attention to conclude that "one side" will lead to worse concrete consequences for more actual human beings than the other. It's not a question of abstract notions of morality.

What's abstract about having immigration laws and making them stick? You are the one talking about the humane aspect of it, and I think there should be an amnesty but the laws must be enforced and it looks like that's what he's doing but in a very blunt instrument sort of way. I'm not even saying he's good or I support him but I don't see what the furore there is over the things he said he'd do, especially given that they won't work.

As for the other side, they had enough authoritarianism going for them under the guise of kindness while still being beholden to the likes of Lockheed and Raytheon and Israel, whereas he's doing the same thing just without pretending to be kind about it

[ldj]

The furor I suppose is that his politics intentionally sets out to paint a target on the back of regular people, it's divisive bollocks, as long as people are pissed off about immigrants, asylum seekers, transgender people, abortion rights etc no one gives a fuck about the fact his economic policies are designed to benefit a small number of elites.

All capitalist politics does this to an extent (Welfare cheats cheat us all...), people don't even give a shite about the fact they're being screwed anymore as long as they themselves have someone to look down on, he doesn't even have to mask the hatred and he doesn't have to hide the fact he's screwing his supporters, they'll support him regardless.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I think you'll find you mentioned "the illegals", not me astfgyl. I am paying close enough attention to conclude that "one side" will lead to worse concrete consequences for more actual human beings than the other. It's not a question of abstract notions of morality.

What's abstract about having immigration laws and making them stick?

Abstract notions of morality refers to you hammering on about "good" and "bad" despite me endlessly repeating that I don't think the DNC are "good." When I say that Trump is the worse option, I'm referring to the net concrete consequences on human well-being of him being in power. More human beings (legals, illegals, in-betweens), including many who were hoodwinked into supporting him, will be concretely worse off under Trump than they would have been under the nevertheless not "good" DNC.

20 odd years ago, were you saying: "What's wrong with spying on and interring potential terrorists!?" I doubt it.

[astfgyl]

No I was not saying that 20 years ago. I don't get how legally in the country people will be worse off because of anything he's doing. It might turn out that way with his tariff shit but that remains to be seen. I didn't see many reports of prosperity for the majority increasing during the few years under Biden either

[ldj]

Immigration officers trying to raid primary schools...

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/ice-agents-showed-up-at-chicago-school-amid-heightened-concerns-of-raids/3655459/

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Various reports of ICE raids on businesses and workplaces, checking for green cards, telling holders to now carry them at all times. Maybe they should get an armband made for them.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

There's Pete Hegseth confirmed as Secretary of Defense, head of the Pentagon. Unreal. I can't even imagine the "left-leaning" figure you'd have to imagine the DNC giving that position to to try both sides this selection, given that I don't know of any US media figures who have hammer & sickle tattoos and have written books fantasizing about re-enacting the French revolution, guillotines and all, on US soil.