The Donald vs Big Tech

[astfgyl]

Various reports of ICE raids on businesses and workplaces, checking for green cards, telling holders to now carry them at all times. Maybe they should get an armband made for them.

Yknow what would sort all of that in one fell swoop??

A good old fashioned digital ID!!!

Edit: this will be the trump administration version.

The Biden Road to digital ID was the vaccine passports.

Same flaying, different coloured handles on the knives

[Ducky]

https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-investigate-musk-salute-projected-on-tesla-factory/a-71403737

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The Biden Road to digital ID was the vaccine passports.

Same flaying, different coloured handles on the knives

There was no federal-level mandate for vaccine passports in the US during COVID. There was a lot of bullshit spoken by certain quarters which you paid undue attention to, but no mandate issued by the Biden administration.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56657194

[Ollkiller]

Read there that a lot of Navajo citizens are getting detained in these Ice raids. Oh the irony of ironies.

[astfgyl]

The Biden Road to digital ID was the vaccine passports.

Same flaying, different coloured handles on the knives

There was no federal-level mandate for vaccine passports in the US during COVID. There was a lot of bullshit spoken by certain quarters which you paid undue attention to, but no mandate issued by the Biden administration.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56657194

Ah lad, let's not go there. We all know how that one went, it just didn't stick because it didn't. Was a go at digital ID if you digitally had to go about proving this shite.

Now it'll be digital ID to prove you're a citizen and trump and rfk will want everyone to take as many of the shots as Biden and his handlers did.

Money is powerful. Lobbying with money is more powerful.

[astfgyl]

Read there that a lot of Navajo citizens are getting detained in these Ice raids. Oh the irony of ironies.

Surely they would be the last ones raided??

Not even joking but where is the logic of that? Was the source biased at all by any chance?

[Ollkiller]

Read there that a lot of Navajo citizens are getting detained in these Ice raids. Oh the irony of ironies.

Surely they would be the last ones raided??

Not even joking but where is the logic of that? Was the source biased at all by any chance?

I read it on yahoo news.

[Yung Led Zeppelin]

Read there that a lot of Navajo citizens are getting detained in these Ice raids. Oh the irony of ironies.

Surely they would be the last ones raided??

Not even joking but where is the logic of that? Was the source biased at all by any chance?

They're not white = they might be foreign = they might be illegal = we better lock em up and check

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Exactly. The logic is that they're racists. We're talking about the kind of people whose wet dream would be a reinstatement of the Confederacy. That's not even an exaggeration. As for the nitty-gritty:

A federal judge in Seattle on Thursday temporarily blocked the executive order seeking to end birthright citizenship, calling Trump's action "blatantly unconstitutional."

In defending the constitutionality of the executive order, the U.S. Department of Justice erroneously argued in court that Indigenous people didn't have birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment because they were not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, so neither should the children of noncitizen immigrants.

"The United States' connection with the children of illegal aliens and temporary visitors is weaker than its connection with members of Indian tribes," DOJ argued in a filing. "If the latter link is insufficient for birthright citizenship, the former certainly is," the Trump administration argued."

The DOJ cited an 1884 U.S. Supreme Court case, Elk v. Wilkins, in which the high court decided that "because members of Indian tribes owe 'immediate allegiance' to their tribes, they are not 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the United States and are not constitutionally entitled to Citizenship."

But the DOJ ignored congressional action, the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924, that explicitly gave Indigenous people U.S. birthright citizenship and effectively ended the rejection of citizenship that the Supreme Court had upheld four decades earlier.

https://azmirror.com/2025/01/24/reports-of-navajo-people-being-detained-in-immigration-sweeps-sparks-concern-from-tribal-leaders/

Back to good ol' 1884 we go!

[Ducky]

What's the end-goal here for folks like this where they obviously can't be deported? Or for countries that don't take planes dumping a load of people?

Internment camps?

[astfgyl]

The mad part is that pre election, a lot of people wanted mass deportations but I suspect they were thinking more along the lines of gang members and criminals, rather than children and the illegals that have been there for decades working away and causing no hassle to anyone other than the taxman. Amnesty for the innocent would have been a far better way to go about something like this and just go hard-line on future potential illegals. There is a humanity issue there indeed, while at the same time there are immigration laws to uphold.

As usual, the centre seems to be abhorrent to government.

If the same were to happen here I wouldn't support it either, but I would support deportation of criminals and making it harder to get in here. Would not be grabbing innocent kids born here and trying to send them away like that.

That just isn't right, going about it like that, but the fact he got elected saying he would do just that shows how far gone it was in the other direction, where centrism never got a look in, either.

I'm sure there wouldn't be many on here of any persuasion who thinks that foreign criminals shouldn't be deported or immigrants who commit crimes in their host country shouldn't be packed off to wherever they came from.

That would be centrism though, which seems to be abhorrent stuff to most since about 2016. Which, tbf, is a lot of Trump's fault to begin with but the foundations of that crap were well laid before that in the US and the last administration didn't seem like they wanted to usher in a new era of centrism either and both parties only seem to be agreeable when it comes to funding the war machine whenever the chance presents itself.

[astfgyl]

Read there that a lot of Navajo citizens are getting detained in these Ice raids. Oh the irony of ironies.

Surely they would be the last ones raided??

Not even joking but where is the logic of that? Was the source biased at all by any chance?

They're not white = they might be foreign = they might be illegal = we better lock em up and check

It actually does look as simple as that in this case. I try not to defend the indefensible where I can.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

In terms of the notion of western democracy as a whole, the DNC is about the most centrist party one could imagine. Which is not a compliment, just a statement of fact. You keep sucking away at the kool-aid straw that says the DNC are "left-leaning" (if not outright Marxists, communists, etc.) but that doesn't make it true in any shape or form. Liberalism (in the modern sense) just is the centre in terms of "the west."

[astfgyl]

I'm extremely liberal, I just don't see that whole thing the way you do. I would think we're closer to centrism here in Ireland tbh.

Anyway, the point was that if liberalism was so abhorrent in it's current condition that the US public voted Donald Trump back in, the Liberal side would want to have a good look at that

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Apart from war-mongering, what do you see as key differences between the DNC and FF/FG that make the latter more centrist?

Many actually left-leaning US citizens found it very difficult to vote for the centrist liberal war-mongering DNC in 2024. The DNC lost 6 million votes between 2020 and 2024. MAGA gained only 3 million in the same time.