Coronavirus

[astfgyl]

 

Oh astfygl.......

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-04/sweden-to-introduce-digital-vaccination-certificates-this-summer

My own quote from May 17th 2020

Is it that the extent of this virus has been twisted in a way that helps to line the pockets of some large commercial interests and that fear is being used as a tool to convince the populace to relinquish their human rights and to create an acceptance that they need to be dictated to rather than advised on how to look after themselves by governments all over the world, while decreasing resistance to technological surveillance techniques being deployed on a massive scale by using the public health vs freedom debate and the use of privately owned mass media outlets and other institutions such as privately funded scientific research to tip the scales in favour of those who would benefit from the proliferation of said surveillance and who also stand to make massive financial gains from the crippling of worldwide economies? I don't know.

Now I do know. And so does everyone else.

[Kurt Cocaine]

We're being Chris'ed bro....

[Kurt Cocaine]

Hard enough to get a normal passport in this country. Imagine what a shambles this will turn into....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/02/05/these-european-countries-are-launching-vaccine-passports/

[astfgyl]

Turn into? As in it's not already a shambles? Either that or it's going perfectly to plan. Take your pick, all answers are bad.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00193-8/fulltext

This as well https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1358655460438466563/photo/1

Video here as well around lockdowns https://cdn.lbryplayer.xyz/api/v4/streams/free/jay-w-richards-apocalypse-2020/6c56b37593e805fd3e403cf11a699d37b69e971e/deba7d

Video is well worth the watch

[Kurt Cocaine]

Scotland's ski resorts have the best snow in years.... and guess what? They're closed.... 

[astfgyl]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14014626/bristol-covid-variant-reinfect-vaccinated/

Are we ready? So now the vaccine will be a waste of time unless we keep getting more and more of them for every new variant that somebody decides to speculate on. We will be like pin cushions and still no closer to freedom.

This is never going away.

Honest question here for anyone. How long more would you be prepared to put up with this before turning sour and saying fuck it not complying? Even the most avid lockdown fan must have a limit to their patience.

Like it's obvious that every time it looks like there is light at the end of the tunnel, there is somebody ready to announce a new variant and also none of the variants have actually been proven to be any worse but that doesn't stop governments running with it. We all know about the government and the brown envelopes from developers, why do we suddenly think they wouldn't get involved with anything like that with the pharmaceutical companies? Are they all good guys now?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1349460356595376133

This lad is looking more accurate by the day.  Look how he predicts that the vaccine won't work and we will still have to wear masks and socially distance and more lockdowns. Now read the link at the top again. So what is the point exactly, if getting it changes nothing?

[Kurt Cocaine]

Quite a few of, shall we say, God fearing people I know are already starting to grumble.
We're a year into this shit storm next month and I think we'll start to see public opinion start to sway away from our fearless leaders and onto things like holidays, seeing loved ones and not fucking living on our knees. I can't fucking wait!
No mention on our news here about businesses and people taking the situation back in various places around Europe. Poland is in full swing since the beginning of last month as far as I know.
Although in fairness, there's not much of a social welfare safety net over there.
But the upheaval is starting and once it snowballs I think that'll be it for these grovelling shits of leaders. Enough's enough and we'll know exactly how it's going to pan out by summer I'd say...

[Ollkiller]

I'd say by the end of the summer if were not back to near normal through mass vaccinations or there's not a definite end in sight it'll start to get ugly. I agree with the lockdowns to get to the mass vacvination stage but if it's pointless (which currently i don't think it is) then were going to have to go back to normality and that's it really.

[astfgyl]

Ron DeSantis.

Legend.

[Ollkiller]

Ron DeSantis.

Legend.

What he do

[astfgyl]

Looked at the available evidence, didn't send covid patients into nursing homes, opened everything up after a 3 hour meeting with some of the great Barrington declaration crowd last August. Went for focused protection model using rapid testing in hospitals and NH settings. Still have covid but for comparison are doing better than California, who had some of the toughest restrictions in the US, at the moment. Believes in living with instead of hiding from. Done away with mask mandate. Has the stones to go against the narrative and make a decision for the good of all in his state and stand over it instead of running with the hysteria. Gets bad press for being a trump ally but very popular in his own state. Basically an example of dealing with the situation rationally, without destroying economy or society. And in a state full of seniors.

I'm using California as comparison because of latitude and climate similarities.

I linked the meeting he had with those experts last August and was highly impressed with the chap. It's back in this thread, I'll dig it up in a bit although I doubt many will go through the full meeting like I did. I have been convinced since then that this is all being done the wrong way with the lockdowns etc, and it must have worked on him as well because he opened it all up the following day

Edit: and that's not to say that no one in Florida worries about covid or anything like that, but they are trusted to look after themselves and take the precautions as they see fit.

[Nazgûl]

You're fairly certain of this declaration that is very much on the fringe of sciencific communities, has been shown to have many fake and/or unverified names amongst it's 6,000 signatures, has dodgy funding behind it by groups linked to oil companies and climate change denial, and doesn't seem to have much of an actual practical strategy behind it other than 'protect the vulnerable'...as a solution to dealing with a virus which we still don't fully understand the long term impact of.

That's of course not to say that lockdowns aren't taking an awful toll on society, particularly in poorer countries I'd imagine. But I dunno man, between this and your last few sources being the Sun newspaper and some random ranting muppet on a Twitter video...it's hard to see much credibility in some of the arguments you're making.

[astfgyl]

The muppet on the Twitter video is indeed a muppet but I put that there because he has been right so far. It is fully liable to be proven wrong, as am I. So far he is going well with his predictions. If he turns out wrong, I'll laugh along with everyone else at both him and me.

Can't remember what the Sun one was, but it surely declares its sources in it so back to the ball not the man.

Of course the GBD has fake names on something that can be signed by the public. Nothing can be done about that and they have started verifying the signers ages ago but I bet some will still be there. Anyway the thing about it is that it opens the idea of having another point of view about it all which is sorely lacking from the main thrust of the discussion in general. The main drivers of it are far from fringe as well if you check them out.

Sources aside, my main source is my own gut feeling that something is badly wrong with the way this has gone and is going. The stuff I find and post usually just say things i was thinking all by myself. Also this is a discussion forum and discussion is seemingly impossible in the main media sources, so I welcome any other views whether they agree or not with mine. I've no interest in the echo chamber there's always a discussion it's not a religion I'm after.

Also, all those pushing lockdown are either making money from it or are unaffected by it. That is no way to do things in general. Like it's a thing, it's bad for a lot of people no disputing that but the conversation is so one sided even now that far more is known than last year regarding who is vulnerable and also people aren't dropping in the streets like we all feared, yet the plan remains the same and no end in sight.

If you've any interest I can dig out the DeSantis video and you can see it and look at how Florida is going, or I can put up other stuff or sites where I do find things and vet the sources. I don't read shite where possible and I'm getting a lot better at sorting the wheat from the chaff while of course still taking the medicine of getting pulled up on things here.

Follow the money as well turns up so many conflicts of interest it would make your head spin. Like I've no bother reading anything that says I have it all wrong. In so many ways I would love to be all wrong about it and it's all above board. No messing.

[Nazgûl]

I was going to say in my last post -- and should have said -- that I wasn't trying to have a go at you and to be fair you clearly have taken a genuine interest in all of this since the beginning of the thread and it's easy to see you go to lengths to read and source information. Ill put my hands up and admit I definitely can't bring myself to spend loads of time reading into the sciencific debate surrounding all of this, at least not the amount of time it would take where I'd be comfortable in saying I have a solid understanding of it. Besides, it would drive me fucking mad going down those rabbit holes as I think you yourself have claimed has happened to you a couple of times  :

I watched a debate there recently on Democracy Now's YT channel where they had a guy supporting the GBD and somebody else disagreeing with it. Yer man for the GBD didn't come across as very convincing to me, had some obviously relevant points but also a lot of over simplified answers or glossing over tough questions.

I guess the main takeaway is it seems too problematic to be an alternative solution, for many reasons which we could exhaust here endlessly and which I'm not prepared/equipped to do. For me comes down to perhaps the now-clichéd answer "I'm not an epidemiologist, etc.", so I'll stay content in trusting the majority opinion of those who are. That doesn't really add much to the discussion I know, but then again I genuinely don't see this lasting forever or share some of the concerns you do regarding the sinister nature behind how it's being dealt with.

[astfgyl]

Double post, clicked quote not edit.