Coronavirus

[Nazgûl]

Cheers all!

Astfgyl, did you say a few times here you're from Galway?? Sure you can come over to my covid ridden gaf, we'll take the mushies and sort all of this out. 

[astfgyl]

Nah I'm from Tipp but sound for the offer. I did call to someone with a positive test to drop up some booze but there were no high fives given and I was off again quick smart. I'm a skeptic but I'm not a daredevil!

[son of the Morrigan]

Sorry for your trouble Nazgul, its a shite state of affairs.
Hope herself has a speedy recovery and the best of luck to yourself.

Re. the vaccine.
the whole talk now is about vaccinating 70% of the population in order to achieve herd immunity.
this would be a perfectly reasonable aspiration if one were talking in terms of a sterilizing vaccination, which both prevents the development of symptoms for the individual and prevents contagion.
This vaccine, by all accounts, does not prevent contagion.
As such, unlike a sterilizing vaccine which produces herd immunity by starving the pathogen of hosts in which to reside, leading to its eventual demise, this vaccine will ensure that the pathogen survives, circulating in a continuous loop within the community of hosts, unabated.
This will lead to a requirement for governments to fork out trillions of euros to pharma companies on an ongoing basis, year after year for vaccines, thus increasing the profits made by these companies and consolidating the power they wield over these same governments and the people they represent.
Like the continuous loop of contagion, the corruption goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, .............................................
If you want an image of the future of humanity, imagine a boot, stamping on a human face, forever.

[Giggles]

Also, as much of a genius in his narrow domain as Kary Mullis is (he's already been discussed in this thread incidentally), he's a full on fucking acid casualty nutbar outside of that.

Would you have a source for that "full on fucking acid casualty nutbar" statement?

[astfgyl]

Sorry for your trouble Nazgul, its a shite state of affairs.
Hope herself has a speedy recovery and the best of luck to yourself.

Re. the vaccine.
the whole talk now is about vaccinating 70% of the population in order to achieve herd immunity.
this would be a perfectly reasonable aspiration if one were talking in terms of a sterilizing vaccination, which both prevents the development of symptoms for the individual and prevents contagion.
This vaccine, by all accounts, does not prevent contagion.
As such, unlike a sterilizing vaccine which produces herd immunity by starving the pathogen of hosts in which to reside, leading to its eventual demise, this vaccine will ensure that the pathogen survives, circulating in a continuous loop within the community of hosts, unabated.
This will lead to a requirement for governments to fork out trillions of euros to pharma companies on an ongoing basis, year after year for vaccines, thus increasing the profits made by these companies and consolidating the power they wield over these same governments and the people they represent.
Like the continuous loop of contagion, the corruption goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, .............................................
If you want an image of the future of humanity, imagine a boot, stamping on a human face, forever.

Yep, all of that.

Also, as much of a genius in his narrow domain as Kary Mullis is (he's already been discussed in this thread incidentally), he's a full on fucking acid casualty nutbar outside of that.

Would you have a source for that "full on fucking acid casualty nutbar" statement?

There is a link or 2 in the article I quoted a couple of posts ago about luminous raccoons and the like. Then again I've seen things on a par with luminous raccoons and I think I'm perfectly sane. I think from the things I've read about Mullis that the general consensus is that he's a bit of a character but then that could be character assassination given how things go with dissenting voices and the accepted narrative.

Edit: I'm reading this https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341832637_All-cause_mortality_during_COVID-19_No_plague_and_a_likely_signature_of_mass_homicide_by_government_response at the minute and not saying I agree or disagree because I haven't digested it all but it's an interesting take.

[Kurt Cocaine]

**double post**

[Kurt Cocaine]

Hope the two of you manage to squeeze some good cheer out of the week!

Here's a great article highlighting how the big pharma bathwater can be thrown out without chucking the baby of basic research with it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/17/opinion/covid-vaccine-big-pharma.html

Also, as much of a genius in his narrow domain as Kary Mullis is (he's already been discussed in this thread incidentally), he's a full on fucking acid casualty nutbar outside of that.

As much as a genius as you let on to be, you smoke dope every day. Have done mushies and probably have whacked on some acid.
Do we take on your ramblings here with a pinch of salt now too?
I thought he came across quite well in that snippet and his demeanour just added more charm to himself whilst discussing the absolute chancer(s) he was talking about.

[Kurt Cocaine]

The fact that he's even taken acid makes him more credible than those fame hungry leeches.

[Kurt Cocaine]

In my buik..... 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You should absolutely take everything I say here with a pinch of salt! In the snippet there, what's interesting is that he says Fauci is absolutely not the kind of person we want in the position he is in. That may be true, but if you investigate Mullis' broader views a bit (nothing to do with the raccoons), he's not really the kind of person you'd want deciding policy either. Think of the Simpsons episode with Stephen Hawkins...but on acid! 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Good overview of what we do and don't know about the new variant:
https://www.ft.com/content/a8cf7f88-7bfc-46c5-bb25-a914266f0377

[astfgyl]

Paywall on your FT article there.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-variant-could-more-easily-infect-children-scientist-suggests-12169549

Just fucking look who is doing the modelling on this new variant: Neil Fucking Ferguson, Doomsday Predictor General.

Also note the last paragraph there with the quote, after explaining why you should fear for the children this time around..

"If the vaccine is the best news, this is the worst news we've had so far, and we really, really need to tighten down the hatches to stop the spread of this strain while vaccinating as many people as possible."

That's the punchline of the "new" (around since at least Sept and also only one of hundreds of such variants) variant bollix.

And that is after this beauty regarding the kids

"Therefore children are equally susceptible perhaps to this virus as adults, and therefore given their mixing patterns, you would expect to see more children being infected.

It is another fucking vaccine sales pitch and of course the next step will be that vaccine ID for us all. Let's give it a bit of time and see if I'm wrong. Next step kids can't go to school without the jab

[Trev]

Next step kids can't go to school without the jab

Should've brought that in years ago when all the numpties started screaming about vaccines causing autism

[Kurt Cocaine]

Lads! Lads! Lads!.......
Neither you, your children, nor your loved ones get this vaccine!
Look what happened to all the people who received the first small pox vaccine in 1798.
They've all died......

[astfgyl]

Next step kids can't go to school without the jab

Should've brought that in years ago when all the numpties started screaming about vaccines causing autism

I don't believe the autism thing as it happens. My kids also have had their jabs up to date, as have I. Even got a couple of bonus tetanus shots over the years. I had another theory about the autism thing, and it's that as the definition was widened over the years, more kids inevitably were defined as such. Or all of the shite in the processed foods we eat would be a more likely candidate for ill effects.

I'm not against vaccines but I know a fucking hard sell when I see one, and just as Ferguson's predictions got us into this they are now being used to predict the virulence of this new strain. How does he keep getting the job? Really, how?

Here is a fact check about his claims which seeks to reject the fact he has made wild predictions but pretty much confirms how wrong he has been: https://theferret.scot/fact-check-neil-ferguson-covid-19-predictions/