Coronavirus

[astfgyl]

I dunno man. I'd be tempted to hear out these Build Back Better guys. I'd certainly not be taking to the streets to defend the system and life we currently have.

If it's a fear of a socialist dystopia, where we own nothing and everyone is 'equal'...? Well I think the horse has already bolted on that one. Socialism/welfare state is already endemic in much of the world and you cannot take back what's already been given. The march to universal basic income has been underway for decades.

Im hardly 'free' now myself. Nominally middle class. Work my hole off in a typically middle class professional job. See my kids for an hour in the morning and evening. Do all the right things to pay my way and fit into my slot in the system. Recently tried to move up a tier, into the 'business' realm. Failed to break through. Not enough money to leave my caste. Hate my job but it feeds my kids and keeps our modest lifestyle afloat.

On the other side of things I see in our local town all the welfare class with wallets full of notes and driving the newest cars. I actually bought my 152 from a dealership who left the previous owners details in the glove box. Who was a serial benefits merchant from the town council estate.

Ireland is well on the way to economic 'equality' between all its citizens outside of the top 1%, whether you are a self respecting worker or benefits dependant.

We have a small family farm. Work hard at it. It's more or less unprofitable like most farms in these times. Needs subsidies to keep afloat and continue to produce food for people. The whole games fucked. Every place you look. And there's no turning back.

As I said I won't be out on the streets defending this shitshow and my little slot in the system.

All we can do is hope the new global socialism is significantly more comfortable for us than the last global effort.

Those are good points and I'd be inclined to think similar given the similarity to my own situation but my issue is a point I've made already; that if it was so good why was it brought in the way it was?

Here is an article which articulates it better than I do: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/507336-great-reset-world-economic-forum/

[lifeeternal]

Get yourself a criminal enterprise started up, it's great for topping up the auld welfare 

This is the thing, people think you can actually afford new cars on the dole, it's the drug dealing, it's the drug dealing!

[Grim Reality]

I dunno man. I'd be tempted to hear out these Build Back Better guys. I'd certainly not be taking to the streets to defend the system and life we currently have.

If it's a fear of a socialist dystopia, where we own nothing and everyone is 'equal'...? Well I think the horse has already bolted on that one. Socialism/welfare state is already endemic in much of the world and you cannot take back what's already been given. The march to universal basic income has been underway for decades.

Im hardly 'free' now myself. Nominally middle class. Work my hole off in a typically middle class professional job. See my kids for an hour in the morning and evening. Do all the right things to pay my way and fit into my slot in the system. Recently tried to move up a tier, into the 'business' realm. Failed to break through. Not enough money to leave my caste. Hate my job but it feeds my kids and keeps our modest lifestyle afloat.

On the other side of things I see in our local town all the welfare class with wallets full of notes and driving the newest cars. I actually bought my 152 from a dealership who left the previous owners details in the glove box. Who was a serial benefits merchant from the town council estate.

Ireland is well on the way to economic 'equality' between all its citizens outside of the top 1%, whether you are a self respecting worker or benefits dependant.

We have a small family farm. Work hard at it. It's more or less unprofitable like most farms in these times. Needs subsidies to keep afloat and continue to produce food for people. The whole games fucked. Every place you look. And there's no turning back.

As I said I won't be out on the streets defending this shitshow and my little slot in the system.

All we can do is hope the new global socialism is significantly more comfortable for us than the last global effort.

Those are good points and I'd be inclined to think similar given the similarity to my own situation but my issue is a point I've made already; that if it was so good why was it brought in the way it was?

Here is an article which articulates it better than I do: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/507336-great-reset-world-economic-forum/

I'm open to alternative opinions in general, am suspicious of authority and tend to always question the accepted narrative, but I wouldn't be jumping in behind the guy linked in that article.

He wants to able to use cash, drive petrol cars and mingle in packed pubs. The tone is of someone opposed to change. A conservative. Nothing wrong with that per se. However looking over the broad sweep of history and the rise and fall of civilisations, change is the only constant.

Looking at things in perspective, the West has been in decline for well over a century. I am no scholar but personally would place its roots as far back as the Reformation (different topic, I know) with the break of the relationship between man and the divine and subsequent rise of individualism. Anyway, the western civilisation is crumbling, the rise of technology is accelerating and an unknown world awaits our children and children's children. I feel the whole thing is much bigger than the apparent plans of a few insignificant individuals like Schwab, when viewed in the greater context.

Its either exciting or frightening, or both. I don't think fighting against it does anything much ultimately. I must be an awful fatalist!

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Or just a grim realist 

[Bigmac]

Looking at things in perspective, the West has been in decline for well over a century. I am no scholar but personally would place its roots as far back as the Reformation (different topic, I know) with the break of the relationship between man and the divine and subsequent rise of individualism. Anyway, the western civilisation is crumbling, the rise of technology is accelerating and an unknown world awaits our children and children's children. I feel the whole thing is much bigger than the apparent plans of a few insignificant individuals like Schwab, when viewed in the greater context.

Its either exciting or frightening, or both. I don't think fighting against it does anything much ultimately. I must be an awful fatalist!

It'll be interesting to see how Oswald Spengler's views play out. Democracy does seem to be struggling as of late.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I happened to be watching a lecture about statistics today, from 2014 I think, and the polio vaccine clinical trials were raised as an example. Something I hadn't known (not really knowing anything substantial about the disease) is that 90% of those who contract it don't develop symptoms, and it's only around one or half a percent who develop the kind of debilitating paralysis we associate with it.

Edit: Those are the figures that were given in the lecture (to which they were secondary), here are the real figures according to wiki;

No symptoms    72%
Minor illness    24%
Nonparalytic aseptic
meningitis    1–5%
Paralytic poliomyelitis    0.1–0.5%
— Spinal polio    79% of paralytic cases
— Bulbospinal polio    19% of paralytic cases
— Bulbar polio    2% of paralytic cases

[astfgyl]

How do they get tested for it? Genuinely curious. Actually now I think about it, how does someone catch polio? I also haven't ever really thought about it.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Well, it barely exists anymore thanks to vaccinations But here's how:
https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/lab-testing/diagnostic.html

[astfgyl]

Something I read a while back said that the only polio left was vaccine induced but there is so much anti-Gates stuff out there that is no surprise and must be taken with a pinch of salt until I remmber the source. What is interesting there is where PCR comes into the process and what it is used for. Not diagnosis, strangely.

Apparently the covid vaccines are all about 95% effective against severe disease, but about 95% of folks don't get severe disease anyway so tough to swallow that one! (numbers not exact there)

Isn't it amazing that all of the producers got their products ready within 3 weeks of each other?

[nukeabuse]

Polio has been on the rise in Pakistan the last few years because the CIA were using polio vaccines as a cover to test people's DNA to find relatives of bin Laden. This created a fear of government issued vaccines in the country and an anti vax movement.

So far the only justifiable anti vax arguement I've heard.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Something I read a while back said that the only polio left was vaccine induced but there is so much anti-Gates stuff out there that is no surprise and must be taken with a pinch of salt until I remmber the source. What is interesting there is where PCR comes into the process and what it is used for. Not diagnosis, strangely.

What was interesting to me, tbh, was that COVID19 quite clearly isn't at all the first disease to be confronted where the majority of people who contract it don't display symptoms, contrary to so many people calling it a "non-disease" for this very reason. I was then wondering if, given the fraction of a percentage of critical cases, some would say, retrospectively, that it wasn't worth vaccinating against.

[astfgyl]

I have a very justifiable anti vax argument here: I don't want it.

I don't want to be told I need something by the very people who will profit from it. I've gone this far without getting covid in spite of working in a pharmacy, meeting thousands of people and rubbing my face all day every day. I also had no vaccine at the height of the epidemic and got nothing, not even a cold. Too much money and control in this for me to want it. Also developed way too quick and skimping on all safety measures vs every other vaccine ever except for Pandemrix (lol that went well and was really needed wasn't it?) and now lo and behold something that is the same as the flu requires a digital pass to do anything. Yeah I'll be giving it a wide berth considering the mortality rate for my age is negligible and the long covid marketing push isn't enough to put the shits up me to take it either. Anyway if it works no one who took it should give a fuck if I had it or not.

BUT: It's a free world (me bollix) and anyone who wants vaccinating against anything should be fully free to buy into it. I had a glass of water today and it turns out it's also going to be 99.999999999999% effective to prevent me from developing Laughing Death and also has the added bonus of 99.9% efficacy against car crashes for 6 months as well as 99.9% efficacy against the sky falling in. Great stuff.

I have no argument against you taking it though, is that fair enough?

Something I read a while back said that the only polio left was vaccine induced but there is so much anti-Gates stuff out there that is no surprise and must be taken with a pinch of salt until I remember the source. What is interesting there is where PCR comes into the process and what it is used for. Not diagnosis, strangely.

What was interesting to me, tbh, was that COVID19 quite clearly isn't at all the first disease to be confronted where the majority of people who contract it don't display symptoms, contrary to so many people calling it a "non-disease" for this very reason. I was then wondering if, given the fraction of a percentage of critical cases, some would say, retrospectively, that it wasn't worth vaccinating against.

Good point and I did sort of cop that was what you meant. It's back to the typhoid mary argument again. I keep saying it, anyone who wants it should have it and I have no issue. I'd be personally happy enough to take my chances with the 99.9% efficacy of the glass of water. Will you take the covid vaccine after the obviously rushed development?

Here I'll edit this in rather than a new reply but just look at this: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/11/bill-gates-pandemic-covid-coronavirus-work-travel-business-digital?

Talk about fodder for theorists..

I don't actually believe there is any pandemic to speak of any more. There are measures doing damage but fuck all to do with whatever virus there may or may not have been. All the shit going on now is just too conveniently convenient for my questioning nature.

[Kurt Cocaine]

Heroes one and all.....

https://youtu.be/IsaTKVqnwvE

[Kurt Cocaine]

You can't even smash someone's face in nowadays because of fookin Covid..... 

https://www.rt.com/news/507564-france-coronavirus-lockdown-police/

[lifeeternal]

I work in the physiotherapy department of a hospital, we do all the respiratory care in there. Covid is horrific. Get a fucking vaccine