Coronavirus

[astfgyl]

Hopefully so, but that is certainly unknown as of yet. The hope would be I suppose that those secondary complications would be the exception rather than the rule. You were fairly knocked for six after it, have you recovered fully at this stage or is there a lingering malaise? I only have yourself to ask, as the few others I know who tested positive were asymptomatic so they of course can't answer that.

Still not recovered, it was only on Thursday I ended up in the ED with crippling chest pains and dizziness, and from what the consultant was telling me they're seeing a few people every week with post covid symptoms

So I guess another way of phrasing the question is would you willingly contract the virus to get things back to normal, but it means there's a decent chance you could suffer long covid symptoms that could last for months afterwards?

Edit: saying all that, I'm still not convinced lockdowns are the way forward. There was a spike since schools and colleges went back, which everyone had predicted, and absolutely nothing was done to prepare for it

Sorry to hear that man, that doesn't sound great at all. Hopefully you won't have to go through that for much longer and it isn't something I would wish on anyone. Personally I feel unafraid of it, but hearing your story is knocking that feeling back a bit to be honest. I have zero faith in media coverage of the thing but speaking to somebody without the agenda of sales is a whole different experience.

I don't think lockdowns are sustainable long term either and the only idea I have seen other than that is the focused protection put forward by the Great Barrington crowd. That seems to be the most balanced way forward that anyone has come up with yet. It's a pity it is so demonised in the media by the use of phrases like "let it rip" and such like and a little bit more balanced media coverage would help a lot in encouraging the idea of coming up with alternative solutions, even other than the Barrington one. A lot of the reason I get so annoyed by it all is that being in another lockdown makes it feel like nothing has been learned in the months since the first one.

[Trev]

Yeah it's been a fucker alright. I suppose I'm looking at it from the side that since it's relatively new there's still no idea what the long term implications are going to be for people, and that's something that isn't being given any coverage (amongst other things) . And the government aren't interested in sorting out the HSE so it could all kick off again a few years down the line

Think Pedro had it right about the middle ground needing to be reclaimed, but when tv shows seem to be all about the ratings have two completely opposite numpties shouting over each other is always going to get more viewers. I dunno how it'll be fixed though , maybe you lads can dump the mushie stashes into the water supply and see how it works out

[astfgyl]

I see where you are coming from and it's a great point about the middle ground again. Whenever I feel a bit like it has been misreported to an extent or that the media and pharmaceuticals have a bit of conflict of interest, the only places I can find any info to back that up are places that I quite frankly don't want to be, peddling ideas that I can't get on board with. One minute I'm looking at Carl Heneghan, next thing I know it's some nationalist far right shit trying to draw me in. Had these conversations been happening in the mainstream from the outset, a lot of folks including me wouldn't be going down those roads.

I've surely said some things on here that you as a fella who has had it (and the long version at that) must have found pretty annoying and fair play to you for not taking it that way and joining the conversation with me on here. I'm trying to stay away from the extreme version of events but at the same time I'm driven to the fringe in looking for the info that RTE doesn't want me to have. I'm trying to use the noggin more lately though and hopefully being a bit more discerning in separating the wheat from the chaff. At one stage I was nearly convinced it didn't even exist in the first place but then I hear your own tale and I'd feel like a knob to be thinking you have some reason to be talking shite.

I'll see what I can do with the mushies!

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

42,000 new cases confirmed in France yesterday. Who knows, maybe soon we'll clock up as many as Ireland has in total in a single day!

52,000 today!

[astfgyl]

How's the deaths racking up with that?

Leo Varadkar appears to highlight media frenzy around the new plague...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1320379523637104641.html

Someone in government trying to introduce a bit of calm to the situation. 

Edit: Original thread with comments here: https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1320379523637104641

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

How's the deaths racking up with that?

We're all already dead; 2020 is purgatory, granting us the wish of perfect hindsight at how good we had it.

[astfgyl]

How's the deaths racking up with that?

We're all already dead; 2020 is purgatory, granting us the wish of perfect hindsight at how good we had it.

Yeah in fairness hindsight is 2020

[Kurt Cocaine]

https://youtu.be/PRu6Mgb49Uk

[astfgyl]

https://youtu.be/PRu6Mgb49Uk

Ah me oul pal Ivor!

I've been following him for months now but I feel he is hurting himself lately by retweeting some of the conspiracy stuff around all of this. Not saying he is right or wrong but it gives people an excuse to discredit his analyses. Like lately I'm looking at his stuff and I'm getting sent towards Jim Corr and some of the nationalist crowd. That will turn a lot of folks away from his logic. His own videos beyond the stuff he retweets are essential viewing though.

[astfgyl]

So New Zealand has set up quarantine camps where members of households can be forcibly detained including their close contacts. How long before we follow suit here? Never, hopefully, but this has all gotten so out of hand that nothing would surprise me now.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Do you have a solid source for that? Or is it just the echoes of this:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/08/coronavirus-british-politician-sparks-police-state-fears-with-false-claims-about-nz-s-quarantine.html

[Kurt Cocaine]

https://youtu.be/v3ZP9nEoJyg

[astfgyl]

Do you have a solid source for that? Or is it just the echoes of this:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/08/coronavirus-british-politician-sparks-police-state-fears-with-false-claims-about-nz-s-quarantine.html

That is the exact video I watched. I didn't think of it along the lines of anyone with a cold being detained as the British fella says and hadn't seen his version until now. That health minister is definitely saying that covid cases will be forcibly detained though and leaving the MP's assertions out of it, it is still a worrying idea if it catches on.

But good spot, I am 2 months late to this particular party.

Here is Ardern's quote on it:

We are quarantining everyone. Now we are also mandating testing. That makes us the most stringent in the world. There are countries that are requiring self-isolation; we're taking it a bit further.

If anyone moves into a common area or is getting some fresh air, which is all monitored no one can do that on their own. They can only leave or be in a space to get a little bit of fresh air if they are supervised, because ofcourse it's a quarantine facility.

We have put in millions of dollars into supporting that to happen.

I have a number of questions about people refusing – what do we do if someone refuses to be tested. Well they can't now. If someone refuses in our facilities to be tested, they have to keep staying. So they won't be allowed to leave after 14 days. They have to stay on for another 14 days.

So, it's a pretty good incentive. You either get your tests done and make sure you're cleared or we will keep you in a facility longer. So I think most people will look at it and say I will take the test.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Edit: Okay, this looks a bit more legit alright:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/coronavirus-all-new-zealand-s-confirmed-covid-19-cases-to-be-put-in-quarantine-facilities-from-now-on.html

Can't find that Ardern quote or the video though.

[astfgyl]

The Ardern FB live that the quotes are from is here https://greatgameindia.com/new-zealand-quarantine-camps/

Not the most mainstream of sources but the video is there for our own confirmation.

Good graph here for anyone interested in the Swedish response: https://twitter.com/MihaiVioreanu/status/1320798774046957573/photo/1