Coronavirus

[Carnage]

Have they said whether they'll pay for us to stay at home if there's another full lockdown?

They voted down the restoration of the PUP, so no for now. But I reckon they'll do something 'positive' before the budget, because that's gonna be a hard one.

Creches are already sending out notes telling parents to prepare for a second full lockdown, it's coming.

[astfgyl]

Do the creches stay open regardless? The 5 point plan turned out a bit funny, as in Dublin immediately got level 2 and a bit and everywhere else didn't exactly graduate through the levels either. Either way the full lockdown is inevitable and has been from the get-go. Most winters are bad anyway, why should this one be any better.

[Emphyrio]

They need to change that framework entirely. Dublin being a prime example of level 2 and a half. Nowhere are schools closing mentioned, was their plan to keep them open regardless of how bad things went?

[astfgyl]

I think the international evidence shows schools as extremely low risk, and that has been taken on board thankfully. With the fallout from the Leaving Cert still looming, I'd say they are desperate not to repeat any of that sort of lark again.

[Emphyrio]

I agree, ya, but surely there's a point where it might be necessary where things need drastic action. I suppose I'm not likely to convince you of all people 😂

[astfgyl]

An avalanche of deaths, comparable to what we saw in April/May but at the same ratio to cases we saw at the time would see me come out and admit I was wrong. The current trend of 0.3 deaths per million per day doesn't have me convinced though. That is just normal figures for the time of year, even disregarding the "with" argument. Cases are meaningless though if they don't lead to the expected hospitalisations, ICU flooding and deaths. If the deaths start cranking up, action would have to be taken of some sort but I don't think the schoolkids will be the driver of it. I have to for once commend the government on that bit of logic at least.

[Kurt Cocaine]

This was a headline in a UK paper today. The facts are starting to emerge - will we be able to change our beliefs?

Coronavirus lockdowns 'may kill MORE than herd immunity strategy does': Strict restrictions and school closures could increase deaths as Covid bounces back, major study finds

Ministers were last night under intense pressure to rethink after experts cast fresh doubt over Covid restrictions.

Research released on Wednesday shows that strict lockdowns – particularly those curbing the activities of the young – are unlikely to cut deaths in the long run and may even increase them.

The Edinburgh University study examined various lockdown-style scenarios and found that while they might protect hospitals, they could also prolong the pandemic and prevent the build-up of herd immunity.

The scientists concluded that coronavirus required a different strategy from a flu epidemic – and the focus should be on shielding the elderly and vulnerable.

Lead author Professor Graeme Ackland, from Edinburgh University, said: 'Unless a vaccine magically appears and is rolled out across the entire population in the next six months, then shutting down society is unlikely to reduce overall deaths.'


Any of it sound familiar?

[Emphyrio]

Again, that's the herd immunity argument, more or less, and that's not a credible route as far as I'm concerned.

[Kurt Cocaine]

Again, that's the herd immunity argument, more or less, and that's not a credible route as far as I'm concerned.

But what is, as far as you are concerned?
Shutting everything down and the pain, suffering and deaths associated with that aren't the answer. So what is?

[Emphyrio]

The only thing that'd work is people not acting the maggot. We've too many Gemmaroids and her ilk, we've people who don't think it'll affect em, and people who simply don't give a shit about society at large, sadly. Where Sweden can give guidance and the vast majority heed that advice, we have a large cohort of spastics. So, in that at least, Sweden are ahead of us. It takes drastic measures for people to take note here.

[Nail_Bombed]

The only thing that'd work is people not acting the maggot. We've too many Gemmaroids and her ilk, we've people who don't think it'll affect em, and people who simply don't give a shit about society at large, sadly. Where Sweden can give guidance and the vast majority heed that advice, we have a large cohort of spastics. So, in that at least, Sweden are ahead of us. It takes drastic measures for people to take note here.

Hear hear.

[astfgyl]

Ok, not my own idea, but say a virus gets out with 0% death rate, but is tested and measured as this one and 10% of the world has it so far...

How many deaths with?

Maths time. Anyone want to play?

[Pedrito]

Big loada spoof is what it is. 90% of Irish deaths are people who are nearly 90 years old. The thing has been around for nigh on a year. This is what happens when you have too much government. Rudderless.

[astfgyl]

The only thing that'd work is people not acting the maggot. We've too many Gemmaroids and her ilk, we've people who don't think it'll affect em, and people who simply don't give a shit about society at large, sadly. Where Sweden can give guidance and the vast majority heed that advice, we have a large cohort of spastics. So, in that at least, Sweden are ahead of us. It takes drastic measures for people to take note here.

I honestly think that that is the pushed narrative and in reality there is actually no one to blame. Sure the most protected people in the world, i.e the elite sportspeople, still get it, or even when they test negative have still picked up some other viral infection and needed to be tested. It can't be stopped, measures or no measures, tests or no tests. It has been and will be the same in any country, lockdown or not and that is the way of it. I invite you to play the numberwang that I mentioned in my last post. The results are really weird. Real or not, measures or not, it is guaranteed to run its' course.

The only possible argument for measures is that it might slow down the inevitable road to ICU. Not a hope it will stop it. only possibly slow it a bit. Otherwise it is solitary confinement until a vaccine that may or may not work. Flu vaccine has been 50% effective in its' best ever showing. It won't work. No theories, no "fuck em", nothing like that, but logic and realising that other viral infections are as normal shows it's hopeless to lock down whether we obey or not.

That's how I see it. Honestly no bollixing, try the numbers game. Masks will work but only in combination with proper hard solitary confinement and if that is the only option I'm willing to take my chances vs this option

Coercive control: A crime as it goes.. https://www.healthline.com/health/coercive-control#controlling-your-body Does any of this sound familiar?

Or any of this? https://www.healthline.com/health/signs-of-mental-abuse#emotional-neglect-and-isolation

Good old read, this stuff. So if a person does this to you, it's abuse, and the government condemns it. Seemingly not if it comes from government though. Odd, that.

[astfgyl]

https://www.aier.org/article/reddits-censorship-of-the-great-barrington-declaration/

The closing down of debate around all of this has been the most disturbing element of it for me. At least on a forum like this we can discuss it regardless of our viewpoints, and even if someone is talking shit, there is the opportunity to hash that out. Shutting down the voices of dissent is not good for anyone really.

Scott Atlas has endorsed the declaration, so that should improve its' reach a bit. Good few signing it now, but the numbers are still a drop in the ocean at the moment.