Coronavirus

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

That is pretty much what I think of it, but you have a much more eloquent and considered way of making the point than myself, even if you disagree with my general take on the situation. Hopefully you get it and it fucks up your lungs you arrogant cunt.

Haha; I actually finally got tested today as I had a dose of symptoms again since Thursday. Sorry though, just got my results mailed in and it's negative for me. Going to reply and tell them to whack the sample back in for another 40 cycles just to be sure though!

[astfgyl]

Quick turnaround on the test there to be fair to them

[ochoill]

Thanks to increasing these restrictions, there is no hope I will be allowed into the hospital to see my first child born next month, and be with my wife during it - it was unlikely anyway, and we had exhausted our path of contacting TDs and the like to assist, but now it is completely off the cards.  Say what you like about that being a drop in the water in comparison to the overall scope of things, I know it is compared to people dying over it, but it is an incredibly depressing thing to deal with for me right now.

Of course, rather than understanding that this has happened due to both ridiculously unbalanced restrictions and management from the government throughout and people flaunting said restrictions enough for it to continue to be an issue, maternity care is practically completely ignored as an issue by the current government.  In fact their entire treatment of maternity patients/pregnant women during this has been useless, and has been very stressful in a few ways - bar the actual staff in the hospital being decent to her when she arrives for a scan there have been zero supports, such as not even being given a chance to meet a midwife, or have anyone come in with her lest it be bad news early on.  Nothing new there for Ireland's healthcare in general I suppose, it was already weak and covid/the response has crippled it further.

The sympathy here is hopefully not lost on a forum of likely entirely male metalheads, since most of ye I know have wives and kids surely ye can understand that though it is not the main effect of covid and doesn't compare to actual deaths, it is still a tough thing to deal with.  I am also withered with every time I raise this or discuss this I am met with "what about the deaths" as if I can't fucking see that's an issue too and it is possible for both problems to exist and be dealt with simultaneously.

Separatley,

A guy that posts nutcase conspiracy theories on a heavy metal forum, goes out picking magic mushrooms and also posts in the videogaming thread tells me I have no life?

Jog on ya arrogant cunt, I honestly hope you fucking catching it and destroy your lungs.

This is mortifying.

[ochoill]

Average daily mortality rate in Ireland has been essentially one since end of June, despite a significant rise in cases going back 2 months now (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/ click the box to the right of 7-day moving average on each graph). Moving to level 5 on that basis is an invitation to ordinary people to protest en masse, and when they do that there'll be no lack of bullshit out there for them to "research" and the baby could well get thrown out with the bathwater. All stats, risks, and realities considered in a purely empirical manner, I would describe a move to full restriction as a colossally misguided move for Ireland at the moment.

This, entirely, though I know the move is to appear to be doing the right thing and surely they feel it is, a reinforcement of what is working for everyone would be more useful.  Long term, looking beyond covid, the types of other things generally tied to these protests and their sources are suspect, and the attachment modern fash movements have to the anti-mask situation will be exploited no end politically, unfortunately.  I can't see extreme long term what it means but it is absolutely a hidden right wing element grasping onto the anxieties caused by this whole situation to further other agendas.  Tying the idea of nationalism to it in Ireland despairs me.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Dude, your situation is awful! "What about deaths?" doesn't get to cancel out "What about life defining moments?" I think we would have been tempted to travel to Sweden for the birth if we had been presented with that! I dunno if these super fast tests that are to be introduced could help; like you could be tested and have results within an hour of arriving at hospital to know if safe...?

[Emphyrio]

Ya, that's some ball of shite. A totally forgotten about situation in all this.

[Giggles]

A guy that posts nutcase conspiracy theories on a heavy metal forum, goes out picking magic mushrooms and also posts in the videogaming thread tells me I have no life?

Jog on ya arrogant cunt, I honestly hope you fucking catching it and destroy your lungs.

I'd imagine, that his reason for implying that you have no life to be missing stems from your constant harrassing of him for voicing his opinions on this thread - even though he frequently admits that he is fully open to the possibility that he could be completely wrong.

Ducky you have been called out several times on this board and on the old one, by different members for your "pathetic" use of insults. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Eoin McLove]

Thanks to increasing these restrictions, there is no hope I will be allowed into the hospital to see my first child born next month, and be with my wife during it - it was unlikely anyway, and we had exhausted our path of contacting TDs and the like to assist, but now it is completely off the cards.  Say what you like about that being a drop in the water in comparison to the overall scope of things, I know it is compared to people dying over it, but it is an incredibly depressing thing to deal with for me right now.

Of course, rather than understanding that this has happened due to both ridiculously unbalanced restrictions and management from the government throughout and people flaunting said restrictions enough for it to continue to be an issue, maternity care is practically completely ignored as an issue by the current government.  In fact their entire treatment of maternity patients/pregnant women during this has been useless, and has been very stressful in a few ways - bar the actual staff in the hospital being decent to her when she arrives for a scan there have been zero supports, such as not even being given a chance to meet a midwife, or have anyone come in with her lest it be bad news early on.  Nothing new there for Ireland's healthcare in general I suppose, it was already weak and covid/the response has crippled it further.

The sympathy here is hopefully not lost on a forum of likely entirely male metalheads, since most of ye I know have wives and kids surely ye can understand that though it is not the main effect of covid and doesn't compare to actual deaths, it is still a tough thing to deal with.  I am also withered with every time I raise this or discuss this I am met with "what about the deaths" as if I can't fucking see that's an issue too and it is possible for both problems to exist and be dealt with simultaneously.

Separatley,

A guy that posts nutcase conspiracy theories on a heavy metal forum, goes out picking magic mushrooms and also posts in the videogaming thread tells me I have no life?

Jog on ya arrogant cunt, I honestly hope you fucking catching it and destroy your lungs.

This is mortifying.

That's a pain in the hoop. Having a sprog is stressful enough as you're in unknown territory on a personal level without all these restrictions.

[Giggles]

https://youtu.be/kr04gHbP5MQ

This chap is doing a much better job at explaining what I feel is the carry on with all of this shit. I would like to hear some of the lockdown enthusiasts refute all this shit.

Has anybody watched this video? I'm about halfway through and it's pretty interesting. Turns out there isn't enough factual basis nor legal basis for a lockdown.

They are declaring PCR testing as bullshit, as it was actually designed back in January, without ever using a sample of Covid-19 from Wuhan, but using a previous sars virus model instead.

For Astfgyl: They are saying that a positive PCR test means fuck all in relation to coronavirus. If that's true though, how would it explain the gap in cases over the summer? Why are cases rising again?
And who specifically are the Coronavirus Investigation Committee trying to sue?

And for anybody who's going to skip this video thinking that it's just some "conspiracy nutcase" talking shite, the man in this video is a Lawyer who has been successfully fighting against fraudulent companies for 26 years, including Deutchebank and Volkswagen.

[astfgyl]

Edit: That bit about not using the virus from Wuhan was news to me as well when I saw his video. Regarding the PCR test itself, I wouldn't say it means fuck all, those tests are fantastically accurate but so much so that they make "cases" out of basically nothing when ran for enough cycles of amplification. In the US for example, labs were running them for 40 cycles, but there is basically no chance of someone being ill or infectious above about 25. It can be used to paint a picture that can be severely misleading. I put the rise in cases down to the massive rise in testing rather than a massive rise in sick people.

There is of course a bit of a rise in "proper" cases as is inevitable for the time of year, but nothing of the magnitude being reported. There will be a rise in colds and 'flu as well but the level of community testing and testing of close contacts of 'flu cases won't be done. If it were, we could suddenly have an epidemic of asymptomatic 'flu "cases". So it's not that the technology is useless at all, it's just being applied in a way that makes the spread seem so much worse than it is. When the figures are read out, it never indicates how many were asymptomatic and also how many cycles are used in the labs doing the testing. I think that asymptomatic cases are not cases at all and cannot go on to infect others.

The who are they trying to sue question is a good one. I don't know is the answer. He said something about why a class action would be the best option but not what court or vs whom it would be so that is indeed confusing. Will have to look into it a bit more. The big spiel he read out there is pretty much the conclusion I had come to myself was why I posted it as he had a much better way of getting the point across. He doesn't seem to be a bum anyway so that's a good start.

Edit 2: This video is from a guy who puts up some convincing arguments around the rise in "cases" and seems to have coined the term "casedemic" to describe what is happening right now. It seems pretty logical to me anyway

https://youtu.be/LrRijSa8494

[ochoill]

Dude, your situation is awful! "What about deaths?" doesn't get to cancel out "What about life defining moments?" I think we would have been tempted to travel to Sweden for the birth if we had been presented with that! I dunno if these super fast tests that are to be introduced could help; like you could be tested and have results within an hour of arriving at hospital to know if safe...?

Cheers.  I'm hoping if the fast tests are introduced beforehand it would give some help to the situation.  On a positive note she had a call from them this morning and asked about it again, as things stand currently I'll be allowed in afterwards for an hour to them so hopefully that at least stays as is even if measures across the country are increased, but otherwise seemingly I'm not allowed in there nor for a visit after - will just have to come back and pick them both up when they're released, so a day or so after the fact assuming all goes smoothly.

Ya, that's some ball of shite. A totally forgotten about situation in all this.

That's a pain in the hoop. Having a sprog is stressful enough as you're in unknown territory on a personal level without all these restrictions.

That's the whole thing I suppose, it just seems so completely forgotten and uncertain that it's an extra stress on top of everything else that has to be done as standard to prep for the kid.  And it's not like there's anywhere to argue it directly - it's not the hospital themselves putting these measures in place, it's the HSE and it's across the country, so what use is arguing with them?  Also to be fair the staff have been lovely to her when she has been in and they get exactly how stressful it is but they have to do as told understandably.

[Emphyrio]

Congrats regardless young Quill.

[ochoill]

Cheers!  We probably could have timed it better lol, but otherwise delighted obviously.

[Emphyrio]

The timing is rarely right, one way or d'other. It'll put a halt to your shenanigans for a while haha

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

There is of course a bit of a rise in "proper" cases as is inevitable for the time of year

Yes, as we all know, coronaviruses "inevitably" have a huge spike in autumn, but also spring, but depending on the country, since some follow a different pattern, but either way, it's all very simple once you ignore the epidemiological details, which of course you're allowed to do because the politicians are messing up their response and communication