Coronavirus

[astfgyl]

Edit: Must quote you for context:

Don't try to paint yourself as some crusader for freedom just because you don't understand basic science.

You don't understand the basic want for freedom from rule by decree so back in your box lad and let the rest of us get on with it. Sure from the sound of things you don't go out much anyway. Basic science says there is fuck all risk to anyone without underlying conditions. Again, if you are afraid, imprison yourself instead of wishing for me to be locked up. Banging on about selfishness is rich from someone who for some reason wants everyone to suffer because they are scared.

And no I'm not a crusader for freedom for anyone else, I just want mine thanks. You can do whatever the fuck you like. So wear a mask if you want, put yourself out of work, pay the ridiculous taxes to come, watch the media in terror, hide in your gaff, limit your social contacts if you have any and stay away from people who you are afraid you might kill by passing by, watch all those old frail folks you want to save suffer, watch everyone else who has anything other than covid lose access to healthcare and most importantly hold firm for the vaccine which Tubridy has promised us is coming, against all logic and previous vaccine development standards.

Or in short, you hide instead of wanting me to.

[astfgyl]

Here is a fucking beauty I pulled out of the arse of The Journal regarding the reason for locking down Donegal...

"Because we had cases cropping up all over the county – particularly in the mid-north and north-east parts near Stranorlar and Lifford – that did show there was something going on."

He said between the central contact tracing system and local teams working on complex cases, there was a realisation that there was "community spread and it was due to people, for whatever reason, not sticking to the guidance".

It appeared people were having events, – christenings and Communions for example – and I have no problem with that – but some had larger numbers attending, particularly in their homes with catering in their houses afterwards and had maybe a couple more people in their homes than they should have had.

Or "if they were frightened of it or took it seriously they would have strictly adhered to the bullshit rules out of fear, but it isn't working so we will have to frighten them harder or lock them down harder in the future. Let this be a warning to everyone else who doesn't give a fuck"

The Journal goes on to say..

In the case of Stranorlar, it has 14-day incidence rate of 336 per 100,000 population – the highest in the country.

(Let's watch those Donegal deaths rack up along with the cases!)

That is 100,000/336 = 0.34% of the population there catching something with a case fatality ratio of max 3% in worst circumstances. (https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30694-9/fulltext)

So say that 3% of 0.34% = 0.00102. This then suggests that for every 100,000 of those communion party deviants who don't give a fuck, that 0.00102 of them are likely (at worst) to give up the ghost. Population of Donegal is 160,000. I guess now we can multiply Donegal by 1.6 so that is 102 x 1.6 deaths which is 163 deaths, assuming the entire population of Donegal is at the communion party and exposed to the deadly virus. Certainly we should hide in our houses and live in terror while the world falls to a ruin entirely of or own making. (Yes our own making, not the magic virus. Then again, I don't understand basic science) Also lets not forget the extra 0.2 of a person that I failed to account for in my calculations. I fucked up bad.

Now consider that is the highest incidence in the country, the sprawling metropolis of Stranorlar, Co Donegal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballybofey_and_Stranorlar#:~:text=Ballybofey%20and%20Stranorlar%20is%20a,4%2C852%20for%20the%202016%20census. and really think about it all. Hmmmm...

Good old maths and statistics and their propensity for malleability! Sure they could almost be used to make us believe anything!!!

WHERE ARE ALL OF THE SICK PEOPLE?

[Kurt Cocaine]

Seven months in on this crock of shit and I know one person who has caught Covid.
He reckons he got it on a building site in Dublin. He's currently self isolating and last week he had a bit of a sore throat and lost his sense of smell for about 3 days. He's 27 years old....
Back to work next week and probably on the same site. We're DOOOOOOOOOMED...!!!

[Kurt Cocaine]

The instinct of survival is strong....

[Trev]

Not strong enough to finish writing a few books though

[Kurt Cocaine]

He did write enough books in fairness and his headwear choices are sublime.

[Ducky]

Edit: Must quote you for context:

Don't try to paint yourself as some crusader for freedom just because you don't understand basic science.

You don't understand the basic want for freedom from rule by decree so back in your box lad and let the rest of us get on with it. Sure from the sound of things you don't go out much anyway. Basic science says there is fuck all risk to anyone without underlying conditions. Again, if you are afraid, imprison yourself instead of wishing for me to be locked up. Banging on about selfishness is rich from someone who for some reason wants everyone to suffer because they are scared.

And no I'm not a crusader for freedom for anyone else, I just want mine thanks. You can do whatever the fuck you like. So wear a mask if you want, put yourself out of work, pay the ridiculous taxes to come, watch the media in terror, hide in your gaff, limit your social contacts if you have any and stay away from people who you are afraid you might kill by passing by, watch all those old frail folks you want to save suffer, watch everyone else who has anything other than covid lose access to healthcare and most importantly hold firm for the vaccine which Tubridy has promised us is coming, against all logic and previous vaccine development standards.

Or in short, you hide instead of wanting me to.

Man, I'd fucking love to drop you into a room full of smallpox patients and see how far your freedom fighting gets you.

[Caomhaoin]

You'd have to back in time for that, and comparing it to Wuhan corona is frankly ludicrous.

[Kurt Cocaine]

Ducky, you need to go on a diet. That gimp suit is getting too small on you and it's squeezing all the oxygen out of your blood. 

[Ducky]

You'd have to back in time for that, and comparing it to Wuhan corona is frankly ludicrous.

How so? Aaasyfflfjfhdkdldkjddj is having a piss and moan about vaccines.

[Airneanach]

Yeah but how would you feel if it was YOUR mam's funeral, eh, freedom boy?

[Cailleach]

Yeah but how would you feel if it was YOUR mam's funeral, eh, freedom boy?

She was going to die a few months later anyway, so no big deal.

[astfgyl]

Edit: Must quote you for context:

Don't try to paint yourself as some crusader for freedom just because you don't understand basic science.

You don't understand the basic want for freedom from rule by decree so back in your box lad and let the rest of us get on with it. Sure from the sound of things you don't go out much anyway. Basic science says there is fuck all risk to anyone without underlying conditions. Again, if you are afraid, imprison yourself instead of wishing for me to be locked up. Banging on about selfishness is rich from someone who for some reason wants everyone to suffer because they are scared.

And no I'm not a crusader for freedom for anyone else, I just want mine thanks. You can do whatever the fuck you like. So wear a mask if you want, put yourself out of work, pay the ridiculous taxes to come, watch the media in terror, hide in your gaff, limit your social contacts if you have any and stay away from people who you are afraid you might kill by passing by, watch all those old frail folks you want to save suffer, watch everyone else who has anything other than covid lose access to healthcare and most importantly hold firm for the vaccine which Tubridy has promised us is coming, against all logic and previous vaccine development standards.

Or in short, you hide instead of wanting me to.

Man, I'd fucking love to drop you into a room full of smallpox patients and see how far your freedom fighting gets you.

I'd love to drop you into a bottomless fucking pit. For your own good like, you would be safe in there.

Are you seriously comparing this virus to smallpox? That would be fucking laughable if it wasn't so sad.

[ochoill]

You'd have to back in time for that, and comparing it to Wuhan corona is frankly ludicrous.

How so? Aaasyfflfjfhdkdldkjddj is having a piss and moan about vaccines.

This is wilfully misunderstanding him unfortunately, he said some pages back he's pro vaccine.  I think you might be missing the point here.  I think you're dehumanising him and belittling his argument with the repetition of "muh freedoms" as it casts him in with a crowd he has repeatedly set himself away from and given strong opinions against, and I know you're only doing so to further your own argument but it's bad to watch really considering in general your points are very good and I'd be on board with the majority of what you're saying about it, you're invalidating your own opinion before the argument goading him with things like this and false equivalences like smallpox.  Basically - relax and consider the argument being offered here is more about fear and response than the actual virus, there's no questioning that it's real or a vaccine would work but more about how the world wide response is being exercised by various parties and the overwhelming fear and anxiety of the whole thing, wading through an absolutely kafkaesque sea of noise, info, and control.  Broader consideration rather than outright dismissal is key to finding our best routes to deal with this, in every regard (physical/mental/economic/whatever).

And since i've been otherwise silent but reading for the whole thread, i'll put out that I firmly believe wearing masks is key to a defeat of this and that a vaccine is a suitable method for solving it in the future, if it works, but all signs so far point to it not being available in a working form for 2-3 years (talking to people in the industry as well as info online etc) so other situations need to be considered, and the overall effects globally need to be weighed up.  Mass testing would help.  The level of fear being generated on all fronts is absolutely despicable and is mostly an attempt to sell papers/views/clicks.  We all know that being decent to each other, giving space, staying away from the infirm, wearing masks and keeping the auld hands clean does something to slow it all down, and it is completely possible to do all of these things and still be concerned about how we are being fed the message.

The real issue here, and I'm sure it was mentioned earlier, is how this has been tied to the current Americanised polarised & partisan political style.  For Masks = Left, Against = Right.  That is what we are told and since we all love our totems we will do what suits and generally follow the lines of agreement with them, which is completely and totally horrendous for everything.  So when someone usually left leaning on the political spectrum questions anything about the covid response, they are painted instead with the colours of the 'other side' and ridiculed.  I see this regularly.  It ties in nicely with the online myth that anyone right leaning is thick (again an american perpetuation) and lends to a dismissal and belittling of their overall views and beliefs, in turn escalating the current resurgence of fascism and far-right behaviour through 'othering' everyone that doesn't fit in your niche.  This is probably something for the other thread and is fairly stream of consciousness so probably a few issues but there ye have it.  And since everything requires a coloured flag to be stuck down to your argument lest it be misread and/or dismissed, I am heavily left leaning on that lovely political axis.

Right back into just watching ye at each other anyway, carry on.

[astfgyl]

You'd have to back in time for that, and comparing it to Wuhan corona is frankly ludicrous.

How so? Aaasyfflfjfhdkdldkjddj is having a piss and moan about vaccines.

This is wilfully misunderstanding him unfortunately, he said some pages back he's pro vaccine.  I think you might be missing the point here.  I think you're dehumanising him and belittling his argument with the repetition of "muh freedoms" as it casts him in with a crowd he has repeatedly set himself away from and given strong opinions against, and I know you're only doing so to further your own argument but it's bad to watch really considering in general your points are very good and I'd be on board with the majority of what you're saying about it, you're invalidating your own opinion before the argument goading him with things like this and false equivalences like smallpox.  Basically - relax and consider the argument being offered here is more about fear and response than the actual virus, there's no questioning that it's real or a vaccine would work but more about how the world wide response is being exercised by various parties and the overwhelming fear and anxiety of the whole thing, wading through an absolutely kafkaesque sea of noise, info, and control.  Broader consideration rather than outright dismissal is key to finding our best routes to deal with this, in every regard (physical/mental/economic/whatever).

And since i've been otherwise silent but reading for the whole thread, i'll put out that I firmly believe wearing masks is key to a defeat of this and that a vaccine is a suitable method for solving it in the future, if it works, but all signs so far point to it not being available in a working form for 2-3 years (talking to people in the industry as well as info online etc) so other situations need to be considered, and the overall effects globally need to be weighed up.  Mass testing would help.  The level of fear being generated on all fronts is absolutely despicable and is mostly an attempt to sell papers/views/clicks.  We all know that being decent to each other, giving space, staying away from the infirm, wearing masks and keeping the auld hands clean does something to slow it all down, and it is completely possible to do all of these things and still be concerned about how we are being fed the message.

The real issue here, and I'm sure it was mentioned earlier, is how this has been tied to the current Americanised polarised & partisan political style.  For Masks = Left, Against = Right.  That is what we are told and since we all love our totems we will do what suits and generally follow the lines of agreement with them, which is completely and totally horrendous for everything.  So when someone usually left leaning on the political spectrum questions anything about the covid response, they are painted instead with the colours of the 'other side' and ridiculed.  I see this regularly.  It ties in nicely with the online myth that anyone right leaning is thick (again an american perpetuation) and lends to a dismissal and belittling of their overall views and beliefs, in turn escalating the current resurgence of fascism and far-right behaviour through 'othering' everyone that doesn't fit in your niche.  This is probably something for the other thread and is fairly stream of consciousness so probably a few issues but there ye have it.  And since everything requires a coloured flag to be stuck down to your argument lest it be misread and/or dismissed, I am heavily left leaning on that lovely political axis.

Right back into just watching ye at each other anyway, carry on.

No u

D'you know what.... I am as guilty as anyone of falling into that trap as well, and I think Ducky is sound on every other thread, and always spells my username right on them as well.

I think though that as good as your points there are, you are grossly underestimating the pandemic-busting potential of the 9 euro dinner.