Coronavirus

[Yung Led Zeppelin]

Kept mine on after coming out of the shop last night cos it was fucking freezing, mask kept me toasty. There's another plus.

[Giggles]

The Donegal town where I live in has fewer cases than the national average, yet they lock the whole fucking county down. The fucking size of it like, it takes over 2 hours to drive the fucking length of it. But if you have to attend a wedding it's grand, carry on like. Fucking bollocks.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Creeping more and more into the mainstream...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/25/what-lessons-can-europe-learn-from-sweden-covid-19-experience

[Kurt Cocaine]

Chris, you must be happy enough that France isn't going into another lockdown..?

[Kurt Cocaine]

I think the citizens of most nations now have had the bejaysus scared into them and it's probably a good time to see how self control will pan out for a lot of countries.
Lockdowns alone aren't the answer any more. Common sense and good hygiene are the way forward with this thing.
Of course there will be plenty of bad knobs everywhere that will abuse the privilege but you'd expect the vast majority to adhere to the basic principles of trying to contain and help us move forward.

[astfgyl]

Creeping more and more into the mainstream...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/25/what-lessons-can-europe-learn-from-sweden-covid-19-experience

About time. The data is coming out now and showing that locking down was a failed experiment. The only problem here is that the government won't take any notice of it. NPHET are gone mad with power here is a lot of the problem but every day I'm meeting more and more folks who think this whole thing is just gone way too far. Another few counties punished with the move to level 3 should sway it a fair bit now. I'd like to know how strong the public support for this is in Donegal this minute. How many bar workers went back to work on Monday only to be unemployed again by today?

I think people will put up with a lot as seen from the social control experiment of the last few months but this is just fucking people around. So like if some other town in tipp gets a lot of cases, I get locked down for doing all the right things? Nah it's bollix the whole lot. Hard luck to Giggles, I think it's a bullshit approach to what is now almost a non existent problem.

[Pedrito]

I'd say there's a whole cultural element to the Swedish thing that probably won't work elsewhere. It's like when we say we need to educate like the Finns, but their character, the way they do things and see things is very different to ours. All I can at this stage is that I am completely fucked off wearing a mask. Would love to be off up in a mountain hut with a years supply of tinned food miles away from humanity at this stage.

[astfgyl]

I would also love to be miles away from it all but I can't escape.

Agree about the Swedes though, but they are like a different breed altogether because they actually have something approaching faith in their political system. Sure their government even admitted to failings in the care homes but our government chose to blame the people the rotten little cunts. That is what they are, snakey rotten little cunts who are persisting with this new and perverse reaction to a virus because to do otherwise would be tantamount to an admission that they fucked it up by focusing on the wrong parts of society and trying to copy China (who in an amazing turn of events have no problem with Covid 19 now!!!). Edit: And the reason they persist is because that is the culture now, where decision making is deferred to "experts" with their ridiculous modelling which didn't come true, because nobody wants to be accountable for making a decision. That is endemic in modern compensation culture where everyone is afraid to actually have the balls to stand over a decision and grow a pair of balls.

Just imagine for a minute if the lab in Wuhan never discovered this novel coronavirus and there was no RT-PCR test used to detect it in the general population. Where would we be now? Nowhere is the answer. We would be looking forward to the weekend having enjoyed a normal summer. The funny thing about all of this is that a lot of folk seem to think it started in Wuhan last December , but this has been shown not to be true with Brazil having found it in sewage samples from previous to the Wuhan outbreak. So it has been making it's way around the world doing it's thing without anyone noticing, but then the Wuhan lab discovered it and acted like it started there spontaneously in the wet market and suddenly every country in the world has this test to use and the test seems to indicate that it is spreading, but that isn't the story at all. It has already spread and the test by its' nature doesn't differentiate between having had it before or having it now. Stable door closed, horse long gone.

None of this needs to be happening at all. None of it. Where are the massive excess deaths in Brazil from last November or indeed anywhere at all? Yeah. Things went on as normal despite the presence of this deadly virus killing all in its' path. How? Why didn't anyone notice? If it has been in Ireland since at least last December, why did all the deaths only kick off in April? Why isn't everyone sick? The thing was spreading as normal here before any lockdown, so why the sudden flood of deaths when we started testing here but not before? Why is the excess mortality for the year turning out to be normal? In fact the only thing that indicates that this is rapidly spreading is the increase in testing, and not the increases in sick people. There are a lot of people here on this forum. How many do we know sick with it? We have one forum member here who got a bad dose. Last year before the test existed he would have been told it was 'flu or ILI and go home and rest up. Now it's all this shite. I'm in a town with around 10,000 people in it and double that including the catchment area. No one has it. A few people tested positive but weren't sick. Lots of people going on as normal going out to have drinks, going to shops, having friends over for drinks and whatnot and have been quietly disobeying for months. Why aren't they all getting sick from the deadly virus?

I can't be the only one seeing through all this bollix can I?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Just imagine for a minute if the lab in Wuhan never discovered this novel coronavirus and there was no RT-PCR test used to detect it in the general population. Where would we be now? Nowhere is the answer.

Should I clarify with you before responding whether this is hyperbole or BS? Do you think all the old folk in homes dropping dead towards the end of spring, even in Sweden, would have gone past uninvestigated? What percentage of people hospitalized and ICU'd do you think were "fakes" or whatever way it is that you explain away that thing that really happened? That would have been uninvestigated too?

Things evolve. The logic you're coming from is similar to, "humans are here now, therefore humans were always here" - y'know, creationist level stuff. With the virus, us being where we are now does not mean that that is always where we were. Things evolve.

[astfgyl]

It is neither hyperbole nor BS. It is the simple fact of it. Why all the deaths in April when it was spreading away without distancing or any of it long before that? Nothing to do with the way the deaths were reported? You have a real soft spot for the PCR test. So much so that from the whole text up there, that is the part you pick out. Your beloved test works just fine, it is just that the results are being acted on in the wrong way is all. And you could also point to the Italian experience as well as the higher than average April we had here, but there are already studies on what the fuck happened in Italy in the 18/19 season with the ridiculous ILI deaths there so even that is not unprecedented. Think back to last December, horse long out of stable, no one noticing. 

https://medium.com/@FrankfurtZack/unprecedented-overall-mortality-in-sweden-and-other-european-countries-cd8fcdd6174a

This is of course far from a scientific paper, but the data it shows illustrates quite nicely what would have happened if this was not discovered last December. Fuck all. The whole world has shat the togs so bad that they will never wash the stains from them.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

That is about as far from a scientific paper as you can get, in the same way that me describing a plate of food doesn't make me a chef.

In January 2018, more people in Germany died than in March/April 2020.

How many things wrong with this statement can you spot?

Btw, it's total coincidence that the sentence I quoted mentioned PCR, because what I replied had nothing to do with testing at all.

[astfgyl]

I was talking about the graphs contained therein, not the opinion of the nobody who put it together. That sentence is indeed as dumb as fuck, but picking on that instead of what I actually said in the long imaginary scenario is only skirting around it. Besides, the data is publicly available for anyone to look at it for themselves. Describing exponential growth for viral infections doesn't make anyone a chef either, but it sure does allow for world-altering decision making, and here we are.

Watching this

https://youtu.be/6P3SkTBfGzU at the minute. It is slightly more informed than the medium.com chef.

Might be interesting viewing for some of the terror merchants around here.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

How do you expect us to know what you're taking away from the graphs unless you say so? Because sorry but,

the data it shows illustrates quite nicely what would have happened if this was not discovered last December

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no it doesn't! I've no idea how you're getting to that conclusion unless you try to explain it.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Look, Germany, along with Norway, is the paradigm case for low, perhaps even insignificant excess mortality during the pandemic, so absolutely nothing is being revealed there that isn't part of the mainstream analysis of what's happening:
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

[astfgyl]

How do you expect us to know what you're taking away from the graphs unless you say so? Because sorry but,

the data it shows illustrates quite nicely what would have happened if this was not discovered last December

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no it doesn't! I've no idea how you're getting to that conclusion unless you try to explain it.

Ok let's have a go. The overall excess mortality taken in the context of the last 30 years or so is not so significant as to warrant the ridiculous response that we are all experiencing. So if we didn't have a name for this, no one would notice beyond saying it was a bad flu season.

Look, Germany, along with Norway, is the paradigm case for low, perhaps even insignificant excess mortality during the pandemic, so absolutely nothing is being revealed there that isn't part of the mainstream analysis of what's happening:
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Don't forget China!

Here is a euromomo graph which supports what I was trying to say:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eiw3wMZXkAMb9pd?format=jpg&name=medium

Sparring aside, this video I'm looking at here is a great watch. Completely free of hyperbole (yeah I know) or BS and actual, qualified people answering decent questions. They are in fairness telling me what I already believe so I'm a bit biased, but these chaps seem to be of decent pedigree.