The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[astfgyl]

Good lord, Putin, Trump and McGregor  like somebody had to get that done up and not think about it all the way through

If the housing issue could somehow be solved it would take a lot of the sting out of people willing to join in with this stuff but that problem is not going away at all so...

I see a lot of it through work where people are applying for mortgages, having them approved, but then not being able to buy houses with it, so the money isn't being drawn down and what houses there are are wildly overpriced. That's a lot to do with the general displeasure done people are feeling

[Born of Fire]

A circus of eejitry no doubt, but that's not to say that if people have honest concerns around ideas of mass immigration that they shouldn't be taken seriously. People need to have a voice, but perhaps using Oscar Wilde McGregor as your spokesperson isn't the wisest choice 

I am not taking a side here one way or the other as I don't know what the figures are, but it looks like however many immigrants have been coming in in recent times they are being dumped in already deprived areas. A recipe for disaster.

I've no issues with genuine concerns that people have because  it's glaringly obvious that we can't properly accommodate these people. The "be grand" attitude won't cut it and abandoning people to sleep on the streets is such a massive disservice to everyone.

That being said, the ringleaders of these protests are out and out scum who don't actually give a fuck about Ireland, know fuck all about it's culture and history and happily spit on our native language.

"Protect arr wimmin n childers" by pushing to have the nations highest profile violent rapist become president....yeah well done lads 

[Eoin McLove]

Seems a bit confused in that regard alright, but even if it is being organised by a fringe minority, are they actually saying something that concerns the majority of people in Ireland? Who wants to see a radical right party gain any power in Ireland, for fuck sake! I don't reckon that all of those people on the march are representative of the few extremists, but have concerns which cross over with them. And I would assume there are few among the protesters who are outright anti- immigration,  but maybe I'm wrong. What do you think? When people feel like their concerns are being ignored they get fed up and maybe that's what this is as opposed to something more sinister.

[Born of Fire]

Yeah there's definitely an element of "well the established parties are doing fuck all for us" but we've been lucky so far that the wannabe right wing parties are lead by and populated by people who have the charisma of a rotting corpse so they don't really have mass appeal.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

5,000 estimate of numbers. Given how closely McGregor is associated with this one, I would imagine most of them are either dupes of far right rhetoric or full throated racists. What authentic "genuine concern" individuals may have attended, they have to be a bit soft in the head to associate with the likes of McGregor, who clearly doesn't have "genuine concerns" about anything in this world other than his own lying self.

Whole immigration/housing situation is a mess that suits FFG plus Shitler/Gript/Steenson and Co equally.

[astfgyl]

Agree with everything said in the last few posts but mostly that the whole thing is a mess. It could be fixed and could have been fixed long ago, but there's money being made so it won't be.

I don't think most people, even the likes of me who complains about it, would want to associate themselves with the likes of McGregor and Pepper in any way whatsoever but these things will continue to pick up stragglers as long as things stay the way they are with housing and affordability of same.

You're right shep, that it suits FFG and their shit policies and lack of progress if everyone simply blames brown people for everything that's wrong in the place here

[Emphyrio]

The obvious dopes will continue to be dopes but the housing crisis is the main issue for people. If that was sorted, a pipedream I know, these fringe idiots would become fringier immediately.

[Ollkiller]

While the current government has done fuck all to stop the housing crisis (at least they're actually building houses now), this all stems back to the 2010 to 2018 period where there was about 10 to 20 thousand houses built each year with only 2 to 4k of those been social houses. That's what fucked the country and has us in the predicament we have today. Thanks Fianna Fail who started this bullshit.

[Ollkiller]

And on the immigration issue. I've always said it's the asylum process that's fucked. People waiting 8 to 10 years on a decision for residency. Put the proper resources into the process. A decision within 3 months. Yes fine no deport.
As regards the people at the protest. I've seen many of them at the cork ones. They're fucking assholes of the highest order. Hateful pricks. The shit they put the library staff through in cork over books was insane. Most people with legitimate opinions on immigration wouldn't be seen dead at these protests.

[Eoin McLove]

Looked like a big crowd all the same. 5000 is a decent turnout and as I've said, even if it's being organised by people who have another agenda, that's not to say that this particular issue isn't of wider concern.

Leaving people to rot for up to ten years without processing their application is absurd. It benefits nobody. But how do you stem the flow of immigration (if it is too high to sustain) when you have people making a lot of money off the back of it who are no doubt great pals with the powers that be. Is it a racket dressed up as humanitarianism? How do you even untangle that mess when you actually do need to put asylum seekers somewhere and so you actually have to incentivise hotel owners, or whoever, to play ball... again, messy. Relying on people's good will probably won't get you far, and money talks.

Sherlukkit. Give it twenty years and it'll all be grand...

[Ollkiller]

Looked like a big crowd all the same. 5000 is a decent turnout and as I've said, even if it's being organised by people who have another agenda, that's not to say that this particular issue isn't of wider concern.

Leaving people to rot for up to ten years without processing their application is absurd. It benefits nobody. But how do you stem the flow of immigration (if it is too high to sustain) when you have people making a lot of money off the back of it who are no doubt great pals with the powers that be. Is it a racket dressed up as humanitarianism? How do you even untangle that mess when you actually do need to put asylum seekers somewhere and so you actually have to incentivise hotel owners, or whoever, to play ball... again, messy. Relying on people's good will probably won't get you far, and money talks.

Sherlukkit. Give it twenty years and it'll all be grand...

So far this year we've seen the lowest amount of immigration in years. I think whoever is here already are sending word back that it's too expensive to set up here now. Or that were actually full.
As regards global immigration. If the world keeps hotting up you're going to get more regions becoming inhabitable so if you think it's bad now. See ya in 20 years.

[astfgyl]

While the current government has done fuck all to stop the housing crisis (at least they're actually building houses now), this all stems back to the 2010 to 2018 period where there was about 10 to 20 thousand houses built each year with only 2 to 4k of those been social houses. That's what fucked the country and has us in the predicament we have today. Thanks Fianna Fail who started this bullshit.

Yeah that's the craic exactly. It's fuck all to do with stooks and their racist shite but it's going to gain momentum if houses don't get built fast

[The Butcher]

While the current government has done fuck all to stop the housing crisis (at least they're actually building houses now), this all stems back to the 2010 to 2018 period where there was about 10 to 20 thousand houses built each year with only 2 to 4k of those been social houses. That's what fucked the country and has us in the predicament we have today. Thanks Fianna Fail who started this bullshit.

While I agree 100% that FF and others started the BS and since the 2000s we've suffered the consequences of property bubble madness and have moved into a corporate type capitalism - The graph below shows you cannot keep up with unlimited migration and government/civil servant dopes can't forecast how many housing units they need (we don't build proper homes anymore). How can you run a country this way? It's a numbers game - supply and demand and as usual no one wants to talk about the demand side of things - It's not a question of building double of what we currently do - it won't solve the underlying issue. I personally don't want to live in a concrete jungle where everyone is devalued.  Also a good note is our fertility rate hasn't been above 2.1 since 1990 - so vast majority of our population growth has been external.

Australia is a good example of a place that has built vast quantities but with huge migration numbers - they are in the same predicament as us.

[Ollkiller]

What I think gets lost in the conversation is that most of our population growth is legal immigration from the EU.

[mickO)))]

Looked like a big crowd all the same. 5000 is a decent turnout

The turnout was lot bigger than 5000 not sure what the exact turnout was but some estimating 20k others saying 50k and some lad who calculates these numbers for all the marches like the water charges one based on distance, road width and others things reckons it was 106k and the counter demonstration was 1644.