Quote from: warhead on May 28, 2023, 09:07:45 PMHave to say, you Irish guys want to look like you are fun loving, happy guys, etc, blah, blah, blah. .....Have to say, generally speaking....I've traveled all around Europe, more than couple of times, I've never seen more pathetic nation in Europe. Be free to think whatever you want.

Feel free to leave. Nobody is keeping you prisoner.

Definitely want an explanation before just telling him to sling his hook.

I reserve my right not to ever identify as fun loving and happy  :abbath:
Wearing jeans and leather, not crackerjack clothes

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 28, 2023, 02:11:40 PMThey're not a self-described Trotskyite (or Trotskyist) party. Many others describe them as that, but not themselves. But what I meant, obviously, is that they have plenty of first-hand non-romanticized experience of the working class of Dublin so aren't having any illusions shattered.

Seriously?  So they weren't founded as a front organisation by Irish adherents of the sect set up Yigael Glückstein?

Do I need to provide a dictionary definition for "self-described"?  :)

Are Fine Gael a "self-described" fascist party? No. Seriously? So they weren't founded out of a merger that included Eoin O'Duffy's Mussolini inspired blueshirts?

Absurd, right? Right. Think about the meanings of words as you read them.



Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 29, 2023, 10:36:04 AMDo I need to provide a dictionary definition for "self-described"?  :)

Are Fine Gael a "self-described" fascist party? No. Seriously? So they weren't founded out of a merger that included Eoin O'Duffy's Mussolini inspired blueshirts?

Absurd, right? Right. Think about the meanings of words as you read them.




Set up by Yigael Glückstein followers in Ireland who have maintained their own organisational structure as the core group and driving force within PBP.

But add the illusion that they are not trots to the other shit you believe

Trotskyist/ite may be the most accurate term to describe the party objectively, but they don't apply it to themselves. Hence, they are not self-described Trotskyites, which is the false claim that elicited a "(ha ha ffs)" from Kev. I couldn't care less whether they actually are or not but, whatever their reasons are, belief-based or merely strategic, they simply do not use the term to describe themselves.




Quote from: 91/30 on May 29, 2023, 10:28:05 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 28, 2023, 02:11:40 PMThey're not a self-described Trotskyite (or Trotskyist) party. Many others describe them as that, but not themselves. But what I meant, obviously, is that they have plenty of first-hand non-romanticized experience of the working class of Dublin so aren't having any illusions shattered.

Seriously?  So they weren't founded as a front organisation by Irish adherents of the sect set up Yigael Glückstein?

Don't bother. He gets a horn by drawing people into a five page debate. He'll bollock around the point and shift constantly when proven wrong.

Proven wrong about what? PBP don't self-describe as Trotskyist/ite. If you don't understand how that is any different to what they may actually be, then I can only presume it's because you're a self-described idiot.


Keep the internecine shite to a minimum lads, ye'r letting this Croatian lad off the hook!

He must be one of those rare foreigners who think they'd enjoy Ireland more if the people were only a bit less welcoming towards foreigners. And non-straight and/or non-white people in general. The valiant efforts of a small contingency just not cutting it for him. It is surely to our loss that we're not doing more to appeal to this (self-)important demographic.

The fact he hasn't given any substance to his nonsense is telling.

It's our World Cup performances, isn't it?

Another protest in Galway tonight. It's worth noting that none of these are bring organised in any central way. Once again the Twitter/Telegram folks heard about it last.