Quote from: ldj on May 27, 2023, 02:56:05 PMHow have 'radical left' parties had their day, the entire history of the modern republic has been led by a right of center government and they've ran it into the ground.

I find the super woke/pc stuff as annoying as anyone else but that isn't the reason our country is a shambles, FF/FG and their neo-liberal policies are.



PBP and all these independents and generally weak short term  coalition governments is why it's a shambles.
Did you ever wonder why when the Brits set up the free state they gifted it proportionional representation in the upper house but they don't have that system themselves. Isn't that odd

PPB are not going to enjoy the red c poll results.

The more radical element among their supporters are the big losers at the moment. I'm talking about the "our streets" brigade. The possibility of harm to their own person will be enough to dissuade most of them.

At some point a political resolution is needed for all of this. That solution is not calling everyone opposed to this nonsense far-right. It will improve or escalate.

Most of them are not from the working class, but rather have a romantic view of them and dislike that illusion being shattered when they see the track suits and baseball caps and north face coats shouting 'fuck of back to your own country'.

'The Gaurds are fash dude' etc.

As much as they are muppets in many regards, it's worth pointing out that three of their four constituency offices are in Tallaght, Clondalkin, and Ballyfermot, so I think you're fairly making up the idea that they have a romantic view of the working class.

#5345 May 28, 2023, 01:51:37 PM Last Edit: May 28, 2023, 01:54:48 PM by Caomhaoin
Self described Trotskyite (ha ha ffs) party led by a silly toff and that daft hippie BrĂ­d Smith, who advocate for working class mass action in places like Clondalkin aren't romanticising the working class?

Your buddy Trotsky romanticised the working class so much he confused them with farmers and thought they'd be dancing at the crossroads and delighted to be out in giant state run farms and have all their stuff taken away.

Ha ha, I hope you enjoy Christmas back on your home planet this year.

They're not a self-described Trotskyite (or Trotskyist) party. Many others describe them as that, but not themselves. But what I meant, obviously, is that they have plenty of first-hand non-romanticized experience of the working class of Dublin so aren't having any illusions shattered.

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 28, 2023, 01:38:27 PMAs much as they are muppets in many regards, it's worth pointing out that three of their four constituency offices are in Tallaght, Clondalkin, and Ballyfermot, so I think you're fairly making up the idea that they have a romantic view of the working class.

You're right there, and it worked well when they were simply anti government but now that they are attempting to be the face of unfettered migration and the trans shit at the same time it's not washing the way it used to.

As I was saying to you in the last long post I made there, you'd really have to be living it to see the pace of change and I feel the govt parties along with all the opposition who don't oppose the policy at all will end up in an Icarus situation very very soon.

Unless of course they manage to introduce some fuckin serious tax breaks in the next budget before they hit the election cycle in earnest.

They're all in trouble when they make their 5 yearly visit to the peasants this time though I'm going to redden every single one of the cunts when they do and by fucking god I will be one of their more pleasant experiences going by what I hear around the campfire.

Fuck em. Representatives are supposed to represent the will of the people and they are all suffering from an extreme dereliction of duty in that regard, as in the policies currently in force at every turn in no way represent the will of the people.

Fuck the lot of em

#5348 May 28, 2023, 02:42:15 PM Last Edit: May 28, 2023, 02:47:01 PM by Caomhaoin
You're not wrong. I can't think of a single party in either Ireland or here in Spain that doesn't nauseate me in one way or another.

Except the Frente Obrero who are outright commies, but hate the woke shit. Great craic, they piss off the race mongers even more than Vox.

Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 28, 2023, 02:42:15 PMor here in Spain

I actually ended up at a local political "mitin" last week, ahead of today's local elections, when we were down Rioja way. Amazing range of topics in these declining rural villages, from what to do with the now defunct school house, to how to reclaim the right to stack up dead farm animals so the vultures can eat them  :laugh: (A serious issue on a local level, of course, just very funny for me as an urban outsider.)

'Down the country' in Spain is like another planet alright :)

Quote from: astfgyl on May 28, 2023, 02:16:04 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 28, 2023, 01:38:27 PMAs much as they are muppets in many regards, it's worth pointing out that three of their four constituency offices are in Tallaght, Clondalkin, and Ballyfermot, so I think you're fairly making up the idea that they have a romantic view of the working class.

You're right there, and it worked well when they were simply anti government but now that they are attempting to be the face of unfettered migration and the trans shit at the same time it's not washing the way it used to.

As I was saying to you in the last long post I made there, you'd really have to be living it to see the pace of change and I feel the govt parties along with all the opposition who don't oppose the policy at all will end up in an Icarus situation very very soon.

Unless of course they manage to introduce some fuckin serious tax breaks in the next budget before they hit the election cycle in earnest.

They're all in trouble when they make their 5 yearly visit to the peasants this time though I'm going to redden every single one of the cunts when they do and by fucking god I will be one of their more pleasant experiences going by what I hear around the campfire.

Fuck em. Representatives are supposed to represent the will of the people and they are all suffering from an extreme dereliction of duty in that regard, as in the policies currently in force at every turn in no way represent the will of the people.

Fuck the lot of em

I would actually hate to be the canvassers who hit my door. They have ruined the country to such an extent I'm giving serious consideration to leaving it. Permanently this time.

Have to say, you Irish guys want to look like you are fun loving, happy guys, etc, blah, blah, blah. .....Have to say, generally speaking....I've traveled all around Europe, more than couple of times, I've never seen more pathetic nation in Europe. Be free to think whatever you want.

Quote from: warhead on May 28, 2023, 09:07:45 PMHave to say, you Irish guys want to look like you are fun loving, happy guys, etc, blah, blah, blah. .....Have to say, generally speaking....I've traveled all around Europe, more than couple of times, I've never seen more pathetic nation in Europe. Be free to think whatever you want.

You might want to elaborate on that one Franjo.

Quote from: warhead on May 28, 2023, 09:07:45 PMHave to say, you Irish guys want to look like you are fun loving, happy guys, etc, blah, blah, blah. .....Have to say, generally speaking....I've traveled all around Europe, more than couple of times, I've never seen more pathetic nation in Europe. Be free to think whatever you want.

State of this