MAGA/anti-vax/everything is a conspiracy crowd doing themselves proud this weekend:
https://twitter.com/sandraschulze/status/1647128409972305926?s=20

#mayoforsurfacetoairmissiles

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

So, Mayo for Sam is seen as an anti-Brit chant around the World.




Just having a look at the new hate speech (etc) bill. You could, when this becomes law, end up in court for denying 'crimes against peace'. This is fucking lunacy.

The British bombed German cities targeting civilians (Mönchengladbach) several months before the blitz. So, therefore, if one were to disagree with that, you'd be trivialising or denying a 'crime against peace'?

A Serb or Croat might disagree wholeheartedly that Srebrnica or Jasanovica were attempts at genocide, but they could end up in the cells for voicing such an opinion.

This is back of a fag package thinking, as usual, and anyone capable of a bit of critical thinking can see the dangers of this madness.

Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 03, 2023, 12:40:40 PMJust having a look at the new hate speech (etc) bill. You could, when this becomes law, end up in court for denying 'crimes against peace'. This is fucking lunacy.

The British bombed German cities targeting civilians (Mönchengladbach) several months before the blitz. So, therefore, if one were to disagree with that, you'd be trivialising or denying a 'crime against peace'?

A Serb or Croat might disagree wholeheartedly that Srebrnica or Jasanovica were attempts at genocide, but they could end up in the cells for voicing such an opinion.

This is back of a fag package thinking, as usual, and anyone capable of a bit of critical thinking can see the dangers of this madness.


Yep. going over it the last few evenings myself, complete totalitarian lunacy.
In the Rep. of Ireland now one is presumed guilty by the state and the burden is on the accused to prove their innocence.
These motherfuckers will get theirs yet. (Oh golly, did I just do a hate speech)

I must get a read of this. It sounds ominous.

Quote from: astfgyl on May 03, 2023, 01:56:26 PMI must get a read of this. It sounds ominous.

Latest draft here: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2022/105/


On skimming the bill, I'm left wondering could it lead to a legal lacuna in pitting religious protected characteristics against gender related protected characteristics. I'm sure the Burke family will probably take the opportunity to put it through the legal rigors.

Never mind shifting the burden of proof from the state to the individual. If there is no move away from all this suppression violence will be next. They need to suppress public discourse of their lunatic policies. None of the muck they're peddling stands up to the slightest bit of scrutiny.

Gaslighting on a massive scale.

Wasn't the Easter Rising a 'crime against peace'? The Iraq war? The invasion of Grenada?

It's non time specific, so technically, you could make a comment about the Egyptians hassling the Jews, Herod's massacre of the innocents. That didn't happen though did it? Hi you're denying genocide, get in the jail.



Fucking idiots.


Look inciting violence against people should be a crime. But criminalizing views, no matter how stupid they are is Orwellian and should not be tolerated. People say stupid fuckin shit, but bringing them to court over it is a total waste of time and money.

Like saying the holocaust didnt happen is wrong but wasting court time on that is ridiculous. But saying Jews should be killed. I have no problem with someone getting arrested for shyte like that.

Years ago if someone said something stupid I think most people would ignore it and move on. But today they're all offended. It's boring tbh.

Quote from: stearl on May 03, 2023, 04:20:45 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on May 03, 2023, 01:56:26 PMI must get a read of this. It sounds ominous.

Latest draft here: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2022/105/


On skimming the bill, I'm left wondering could it lead to a legal lacuna in pitting religious protected characteristics against gender related protected characteristics. I'm sure the Burke family will probably take the opportunity to put it through the legal rigors.

Guaranteed when the bill passes the Burkes will file a ton of suits. A field day lol.

Section there reads -

Damaging property aggravated by hatred
2A. (1) A person shall be guilty of an offence under this section if he or she
commits an offence under section 2 which is aggravated by hatred for
the purposes of this section.
15

That's gas in light of the video doing the rounds of that single catholic woman's house been attacked in Lurgan

Drew Harris's RUC comrades have ao far done nothing about that. 

Had a skim of it this evening.

Not a hope it will stick.

None of it.

Load of bollix and we can carry on the finest.

Pure joke of an attempt at censorship of dissent that both left and right leaning folk will reject as quick as those in the centre.