The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Kev, if you come in waving the flag for Serbia in terms of what the ultra Orthodox church and their followers there managed to shut down literally by show and threat of physical force, then comparisons with Ireland in the 80s and with Iran are of your own invitation. No one (jesus wept, as you love to say) is saying the countries are identical, but with respect to the dominant institutionalized sect censoring people who hold views contrary to theirs, there are very, very obvious and legitimate parallels to be made. Democracy is not tyranny of the majority, as you seem to have convinced yourself in this one instance because it fits with your personal distastes. Funnily enough, when it has been about freedom of expression for people in the US or the UK or Spain, etc., that you agree with, you were all for freedom, all about the values of the west being upheld. You've spent too much time watching people who have zero intellectual or moral integrity and whose bread and butter is pushing contradictory views as long as it gets them clicks. And yes, there are liberals who do that too; they're just as bad.

[Caomhaoin]

It's not just the Orthodox Church though. It's an element, surely, but only an element. No comparison with the Islamic variety of virulent hatred for gays.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

One month ago:

"I will curse all those who organize and participate in something like that," [Bishop] Nikanor added. "I can do that much. If I had a weapon, I would use it, I would use that force if only I had it, but I do not."

https://balkaninsight.com/2022/08/12/serbian-bishops-curse-against-belgrade-europride-condemned/

That is an outright incitement to violence.

Nearly 85% of Serbians identify as Orthodox Christians. Now, if you had to make an intelligent, informed guess, do you think that percentage would be higher or lower among the protesters?

[The Demiurge]

Wow what a boring collection of clichés

Thanks for telling me that being gay isn't any ideology. So cool. I don't care or have any opinion on what anyone does in the privacy of their own home. Liking mickey is liking mickey. Nobody cares, or if they do, it's negligible. Each to their own. Who the fuck is defending gay bashers in the 80's? What, did you just watch a doc on the killing of Declan Flynn and throw that in there for effect? What kind of a kind of a fuckin' eejit are you at all.

'Religion is the bread of the poor'. Doesn't really work but whatever. You have your own religion, clearly, a super modern urban techno hippie one for cool people like you that doesn't involve decency, family or tradition or any of that bollocks, right? NO JUSTICE NO PEACE LOVE IS LOVE NO HATE SPEECH

But if you truly believe that there is no LGBT etc ideology, then you are either a gigantic spastic or you've gone further down the rabbit hole then you should have. Probably both.

Conflating an ultra conservative Islamic state like Iran (not that much of a shit hole) and Serbia (certainly no shit hole, get yourself on a plane and take a look) is pure ignorance, which your ad hominem and amateur psychologist bullshit can't mask. Not wanting hyper sexualised parades of semi-naked men simulating sex acts etc strutting around the gaff is not hating gays or anybody else. It's common decency. Iran and other places outrageous treatment of homosexuals is sickening and an affront to that same common decency.

Incidentally you are mistaking a worldview contrary to your own for being 'frightened'. What do you mean by insular? Like, I just have a cup o tae in the evenings and go to the match on Sunday, and wouldn't leave the county confines only for Mart? Fuck off will ya, if you're going to have a go, and you are within your rights to, at least summon the literacy to express yourself beyond cringeworthy internet tropes and words you think fit but you aren't sure.

'It's so depressing it's funny'

'So tragically funny it beggars belief'

Ha ha, so by the numbers:) go away now

Get the fuck off the internet. It has broken you. You massive loser 

[Caomhaoin]

Nah I'm alright thanks. As long as I'm annoying you, that'll do me. At least your man there has a few brain cells to run together and only occasionally feigns crassness and unbelievably daft comments.

You, on the other hand, who contributes fuck all to this board bar a handful of shite posts, are a genuine spastic. Good man

[Caomhaoin]

One month ago:

"I will curse all those who organize and participate in something like that," [Bishop] Nikanor added. "I can do that much. If I had a weapon, I would use it, I would use that force if only I had it, but I do not."

https://balkaninsight.com/2022/08/12/serbian-bishops-curse-against-belgrade-europride-condemned/

That is an outright incitement to violence.

Nearly 85% of Serbians identify as Orthodox Christians. Now, if you had to make an intelligent, informed guess, do you think that percentage would be higher or lower among the protesters?

You lack understanding of the dynamics of the region, and I don't blame you. Orthodoxy is a national religion to Serbs, something they hang on to nominally. In fact, Serbs Croats and Bosnians are identified by their 'religion'. They are of the same ethnicity. Know what I mean?

Irish people have had and still do have an attachment to the Catholic Church. Adherence to its tenets? Not so much. It's a nominal adherence, symbolic but I suspect you half knew that.

The same is true of the Serbs, and I know a couple of dozen personally.

[ochoill]

They are a 'candidate state'. However, the Kosovo situation and a majority of Serbs being against accession mean it's on the long finger, if it ever happens.

A buddy of mine from Belgrade is in Madrid for business so we went out for dinner on Monday, the long and the short of it is, according to him, that Serbs are against or at least very reluctant. But as the years go by, they will feel the squeeze. It's a poor country, and their principal ally and trade partner is Russia.

The man in charge is a shapeshifting fucker. He used to be Miloševic's right hand man. Now he's, privately at least, mooting recognition of Kosovo. Totally unacceptable and horrifying to most Serbs.

Cheers for the explainer.  I know no Serbs personally so my only dealings through the country are business/shipments on the odd occasion.  From that lean it seems pressure from the EU to keep trade some way in line to keep their candidacy valid is likely too, but no way would they cut Russia out like the rest of the place here. (and they're right too, I don't agree whatsoever with Russia walking into Ukraine but also don't agree with the way trade with Russia has gone in light of it all).

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Adherence to its tenets? Not so much. It's a nominal adherence, symbolic but I suspect you half knew that.

The same is true of the Serbs

Had one surveyed participants at an anti-gay marriage rally in Dublin in 2015, there would have been significantly higher levels of religious adherence among them than in the general public. This is bleedingly obvious. At an anti-LGBT rally in Belgrade, spear-headed by public declarations from the Orthodox Church (not all of them quite so violent as the one above), there is every demographic reason to presume the same. But I suspect you know that in full.

[The Demiurge]

You, on the other hand, who contributes fuck all to this board bar a handful of shite posts

  I'm not worthy! Very impressive post number there. Enjoy the board life man, you're made for it.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Kev just doesn't realize he's only a conceptual inch away from defending the suppression of catholic civil rights marches in Northern Ireland on the basis that the then majority didn't want them. Woop woop!

[Caomhaoin]

Yep, another world beater

[hellfire]

You, on the other hand, who contributes fuck all to this board bar a handful of shite posts

  I'm not worthy! Very impressive post number there. Enjoy the board life man, you're made for it.

At least you are more succinct than our usual gobshite. It can be a chore reading over pages of horseshit. You manage to summarise your stupidity in a few sentences. Good job!

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Just to recall that, yet again, it was Kev who chimed in with a monumentally ignorant but adulatory tangent about superstitious authoritarian Serbian bullies succeeding in suppressing a group of people's right to assemble. So, y'know, be careful how much of your arse you're showing there by suggesting objection to that is stupid.

[Caomhaoin]

Superstitious? Sure didn't I explain to you Orthodoxy is an identity, not a set of beliefs to most of them?

My views may be repugnant to you. They are fairly obnoxious to my Mrs sure. I'm not ignorant, as in lacking knowledge. You humiliate yourself consistently by sticking your beak in with vacuous waffle about places and times you know little about. I'll grant you, you dress it up like a hoors handbag with some impressive lexical flexing, but it's just BS.(C).

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Homophobia in Serbia, as in essentially all Christian or formerly Christian or Jewish or Muslim, etc., countries, is either part of active superstition or it's a cultural zombie remnant of those same dominant or previously dominant superstitions.