The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I challenged Gript about whether they bothered their arse following yer man's directions to go and find him and give him some of the attention he, and supposedly they, think he deserves. Watch this space, but don't hold your breath.

[astfgyl]

Was it Gript that filmed him? Not a hope they'll get back to you. I dunno why he didn't give his number anyway, he had time to give directions. No there was something off about that video for sure as much as it seemed a little shady where the African lad was found for the interview. Putting Irish vs non native homeless people into a battle to the death might be an idea though, it'd leave less looking for accommodation by half. Maybe do it by rounds and we'd have even less. The ultimate prize could be a solid gold house like yer man bought himself in the Simpsons, or more realistically maybe a mobile home in phoenix park instead of a tent. I've a better idea actually, make the prize a place in direct provision.

Regarding asylum seekers they should be vetted to whatever extent possible and sent back from whence they came quick smart. That'd be a start. If they do anything worthy of a custodial sentence they should be immediately deported the day they get out. Maybe a deportation strikes system? If they want to live here on the dole they should be given community work so that they are actually contributing something. Numbers should be capped to what the country can take in the first place even from EU countries because it might foster integration which is getting less and less as we go, or something like free movement from EU countries if you have a job. These are just ideas in throwing out off the top of my head btw. The integration one is a big one for me. The lads coming should be coming to experience our culture and not bringing theirs to us. They have their own countries to do that in if they so wish. For example using the Swedish situation if they'd taken it more slowly there mightn't be gangs of Middle Eastern lads acting the bollix or indeed local lads wouldn't know which street to go down burning their Islam bible.

Failing all that, District 9 style slums might be a solution as well

[hellfire]

Double post

[hellfire]

My aunt is married to a Swede and lives in Gothenburg. They are both linen trouser and sandal types with whom
I disagree with on almost everything.

Both told me at my sisters wedding in the summer that the multicultural experiment in Sweden is an absolute catastrophe and must be reversed as a matter of urgency.

You can have all your humanity and your globalist fuckin' bullshit, the consequences of such are bringing the DUN DUN 'far right' into power in one of the most liberal societies on the planet.

And how many anti-immigration types have you met and thusly read their minds regarding homelessness? They have to set up a homeless charity before they are allowed to point the issue out in a political discourse? That's outrageous bullshit.

So there's that.

Every country that is further down the track on this issue wants to remediate it. We will of course be the very last country to drop it and most likely won't be out of the EU until there is no longer an EU to get out of. The ideological resistance to doing anything sensible around it is amazing. Parties would rather lose an election than bend to what the public want.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The Moderates in Sweden did bend, but the Swedes still chose to go for the real deal instead. Parties bend all the time. Both Macron and Sarkozy's old party bent during their respective campaigns. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Edit: double post

[astfgyl]

Parties would rather lose an election than bend to what the public want.

That's one of the craziest parts of it all, the doubling down and insisting there's no other way only what they're doing. Leads me to believe that a lot of it isn't really in their hands and is dictated by EU membership. It's the most rational reason I can come up with for a government going against the will of the people. That, or they've just gotten used to basically saying fuck you to everyone and getting away with it and think why should now be any different. Half the country here is running away to Australia and Canada and being replaced with a rake of dodgy foreigners. Everyone I speak to in daily life here is against the way immigration is happening here but they basically mean asylum seekers because I never hear anyone giving out about foreign students or polish lads. They're just not really wanted unless you work for one of the NGOs.

And how many anti-immigration types have you met and thusly read their minds regarding homelessness?

To be fair, I didn't hear a massive amount of that prior to it being used as it is now. In previous, pre asylum seeking and getting years, the Irish homeless were pretty much written off as junkies and scumbags. Anyway, regardless of how it's being highlighted and by whom, the point still stands that we should be treating our Irish homeless as well as the foreigners so I think we should put the Irish lads in direct provision. Remember the wheel of poverty that Philip Schofield was spinning there lately? A slot in that for direct provision would be great too.

[astfgyl]

The Moderates in Sweden did bend, but the Swedes still chose to go for the real deal instead. Parties bend all the time. Both Macron and Sarkozy's old party bent during their respective campaigns. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

They should bend alright.. bend their fucking knees and go down begging for forgiveness.

European Spring, anyone?

[Caomhaoin]

You're always going to have homelessness as a result of drugs/alcohol/mental health etc, many of whom will refuse offers of accommodation. There is a burgeoning underclass of evicted families, low income couples etc who are effectively or definitively homeless, and one shouldn't conflate the two.

The Swedish moderates didn't 'bend' to anything above a symbolic grade, and are not trusted to do even that.

50,000 Serbs kicked Euro Pride the fuck out of Belgrade, they allow flights from Russia, do not participate in sanctions and nationalist demonstrations (extremely common) are not demonised as demonic far right agitators, quite the opposite. The news on Ukraine is a blend of Russian and western sources. Try any of that in an EU country and see what happens.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

50,000 Serbs kicked Euro Pride the fuck out of Belgrade, they allow flights from Russia, do not participate in sanctions and nationalist demonstrations (extremely common) are not demonised as demonic far right agitators, quite the opposite. The news on Ukraine is a blend of Russian and western sources. Try any of that in an EU country and see what happens.

Try any of what? Are you asking us to see bullying a march out of existence as a good thing? 

[Caomhaoin]

The people didn't want it, the people took action, the people got their way. Vučic told them to fuck off out of it, end of story. If the NP at home were run out of town having a march, you'd be the first one up, clapping and whooping ostentatiously.

The bullying was being done by 'queer' activists organising a massive march in a city and a country where that ideology is vehemently opposed. So fuck them. No EU country would be permitted to do so.

As for the 'try any of what'? 'question', I gave several other examples of things permitted in a non-EU country like Serbia that would never be allowed within the bloc. It's like answering a five year old, or a geriatric with poor eyesight except you do it willfully. Why do you do this?

[astfgyl]

There is a burgeoning underclass of evicted families, low income couples etc who are effectively or definitively homeless, and one shouldn't conflate the two.

I agree and I'm not conflating the two at all, just pointing out the general attitude towards the homeless prior to the asylum years. There's definitely an element of hatred against those that's bringing some of the love for the native homeless. Not saying that's right either, we either care about their plight or we don't. A chap I know it's living down the river in a tent because he can't afford somewhere to live and the only lads that'll take him are the novas, which is full of criminals and heroin addicts so he won't take it. I will say though that he drank himself into that situation so my sympathy is limited despite my viewing alcoholism as a disease.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Bullying a parade out of existence is the only thing on your list, that I understood, that an average individual would have any power to contribute to, that's why I asked, "Try any of what?"

But I think right to assemble should apply to everyone and I've always thought "counter-protests" to neo-nazi rallies, or vice versa, demonstrated a fundamental misunderstanding of democratic values. So, no, I wouldn't be up clapping and whooping. This is why our scores on the liberal -> authoritarian scale were so different I genuinely believe in freedom of expression for everyone. You just want what you don't like to be "kicked the fuck out"

[Caomhaoin]

I pointed out that they were booted out. There are still places on this continent where the police do their jobs rather than dance the Macarena at gay pride and arrest lads for WhatsApp messages and tweets. Those same places generally frown upon drag queen story hour and homosexuals simulating sex acts in front of kids and auld ones on the street. So fair play.

I didn't mean, you personally, 'try any of that' ffs. Jesus wept.

[ochoill]

they allow flights from Russia

As much of this is down to restrictions on commerce - the no flights in Europe I mean.  It isn't so much that flights themselves aren't allowed overall but it isn't economically viable to run routes at the minute, passenger air included, in Europe due to the sanctions.  Or so I am told by the freight forwarders I speak to regularly - I'm the logistics manager for a Russian Tech Manufacturer so I have had a bit of a run in with the system this year lol.  I know it is much of a muchness since it still affects the flights ultimately but that would be the reason why.  Also their own border trade with Russia is still stifled, I can't get a truck doing routes there at the moment (or couldn't a while back at least) because they were wary themselves of being party to violating sanctions - again at a company level rather than a national policy.  Anyway just an aside to the rest of it there.  I had also thought Serbia were in accession to the EU for sometime this decade or did I have that wrong?

Oh also if anyone is interested or following how any of it is panning out in the greater scheme of things I've been receiving parts in from Russia for months now but struggle desparately sending goods out and nothing we do is in any way sanctioned.